[DuMa]

i hate the per48 stats. its a pointless statistic since only a handful of players can really play 48 minutes and be effective

[ehmunro]

Originally Posted by GOD

Please elaborate. I seem to get the feeling that Granger is better just because he is more respected, but I don't know why when I look at the stats. Please fill me in.

Well, for one thing, as others have mentioned, the /48s are misleading. If Outlaw were good enough to start, he'd surely leave the likes of Martell Webster and Fred Jones on the bench. He isn't that good (hence Portland's interest in Granger). You also misleadingly use FG% as a comparison for perimeter players. You should always use aFG% in that comparison, and there we find that Granger shoots .510 and Outlaw .464 (vs. league average .494). Granger is a more efficient scorer (1.14 PP/FGA vs. 1.02 for Outlaw), a better shooter, better rebounder and defender. He is, more or less, the better player, and that would be the reason that Portland wants to add him. Also, while Granger is 17 months older than Outlaw, he is only in his third NBA season, while Outlaw is in his fifth. Now, admittedly, the Portland situation isn't the best for young players to develop in, but Outlaw is probably closer to his ceiling than Granger.

[Diable]

Originally Posted by GOD

Please elaborate. I seem to get the feeling that Granger is better just because he is more respected, but I don't know why when I look at the stats. Please fill me in.

Granger is more respected because he's a better player perhaps...Sometimes it works like that.

[ProfitByProphet]

Originally Posted by GOD

Please elaborate. I seem to get the feeling that Granger is better just because he is more respected, but I don't know why when I look at the stats. Please fill me in.

Maybe you should look at real stats instead of the make-believe stats you posted. Adjusting stats for time is stupid. THERE IS A REASON WHY SOME PLAYERS PLAY MORE MINUTES THAN OTHER PLAYERS!!! WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR THESE PER FANBOYS TO UNDERSTAND???

[ProfitByProphet]

double penetration

[ProfitByProphet]

Originally Posted by ehmunro

Now, admittedly, the Portland situation isn't the best for young players to develop in

Huh? Say what?

[HKF]

Not that hard to understand. When Outlaw was drafted, he was taken in the midst of a complete roster changeover where the team took 3 high school players in consecutive years (Outlaw, Telfair and Webster).

[ehmunro]

Originally Posted by ProfitByProphet

Huh? Say what?

Young players develop by playing against vets. If you have three or four on a roster, you can develop them during practise against the vets. They can also learn the ropes in game play. In a situation like Portland, where they burned the roster to the ground and drafted a bunch of high school kids, they were largely practising against each other and there wasn't enough playing time to go around for all the kids (see the Chicago situation for another example). The Blazers were fortunate in landing the right two players from the 2006 draft pool, and those two guys have got the Blazers better in a hurry. But for the secondary kids it's still a struggle to get playing time in games to develop.

[ProfitByProphet]

Originally Posted by HKF

Not that hard to understand. When Outlaw was drafted, he was taken in the midst of a complete roster changeover where the team took 3 high school players in consecutive years (Outlaw, Telfair and Webster).

It was hard to understand because you were talking about past tense, but writing in present tense.

You said, "the Portland situation isn't the best for young players to develop in." Which means that Portland is currently not a good place for young players to develop. I think what you were trying to say was that, "the Portland situation wasn't a good place for young players to develop at the time Outlaw was drafted.

But with that I have to disagree anyway. Outlaw was drafted specifically for the purpose of long term development and has been brought along slowly. There's been no pressure on him and he's been with McMillan since 2005. I'm not sure I see a better situation for him.

[ehmunro]

Originally Posted by ProfitByProphet

It was hard to understand because you were talking about past tense, but writing in present tense.

You said, "the Portland situation isn't the best for young players to develop in." Which means that Portland is currently not a good place for young players to develop. I think what you were trying to say was that, "the Portland situation wasn't a good place for young players to develop at the time Outlaw was drafted.

But with that I have to disagree anyway. Outlaw was drafted specifically for the purpose of long term development and has been brought along slowly. There's been no pressure on him and he's been with McMillan since 2005. I'm not sure I see a better situation for him.

Actually I said those things, not HKF. And it's still not the ideal development environment because the kids don't get enough playing time against vets (because there just isn't enough time to go around). This has been a problem there the last three or four years as the Blazers dumped all their vets. It doesn't really hurt the Brandon Roys and LaMarcus Aldridges because they're good enough to get all the playing time they need in NBA games. It does hurt guys like Webster and Outlaw when they don't have any vets to practise against and don't get enough time on a nightly basis to develop their games. So their growth is slowed.