[KillWill]

Originally Posted by Nimreitz;

That's a real comparison. When you're talking about someone as incredible as Dwight Howard, then you definitely have to take the proven commodity. I can't make a decision on Oden or Howard right now, the debate will probably go on for decades.

are you telling me you'd rather have oden right now over howard? yikes.

[GOD]

Originally Posted by KillWill

are you telling me you'd rather have oden right now over howard? yikes.

I would take Howard over Oden only because of the injury. If I felt a little more confident about Odens health, I would say it's a real toss up. Howard completely Rocks, and I think Oden will be just as good, and perhaps even better if he can keep from breaking down. Bynum, no, he is a good Center, but projecting out five years, I see Oden being better at everything.

[jman23]

oden,easily

[Somebody Call My Mama]

Originally Posted by Nimreitz

LOL. Yeah, by blocking 6'7'' Big Ten Centers.... or maybe it was when he absolutely DOMINATED Joakim Noah and Al Horford in the National Championship Game.

That's all nice and dandy, but least ye forget Oden was outplayed by Roy Hibbert just a week earlier.

Oh, and why Greg Oden was in college "dominating" those future megastars Al Horford and Joakim Noah, Andrew Bynum was in the big boys league DOMINATING a kid named Kevin Garnett. 6-9, 20 points, 14 rebounds, 3 blocks in 29 minutes. Oh, and Bynum's team actually won.

Originally Posted by Nimreitz

....comparing him to Greg Oden is just asinine.

Based....

Originally Posted by Nimreitz

Oden is the best Center to come into the league since Shaq.

On....

Originally Posted by Nimreitz

He's the best college center since Shaq.

What....

Originally Posted by Nimreitz

He is really special. Bynum can definitely be an All-Star Center, but Greg Oden is on another level.

Exactly?

Media Hype. Nothing more. Because there's nothing more to go on.

There was a guy named Patrick Ewing. He was hyped to the moon and back as being the next dominate NBA center; a future multi-time NBA champion, multi-time MVP. Yet, just a year prior, there was another center drafted #1 overall but without 1/2 the hype. His name was Hakeem Olajuwon, and he ended up being Patrick Ewing's daddy.

Greg Oden is to Patrick Ewing as Andrew Bynum is to Hakeem Olajuwon.

Bynum = the steak
Oden = the sizzle

Originally Posted by Nimreitz

Arguing for Bynum suggests that you have never seen Greg Oden play, or that you have no eye for evaluating talent.

And your hype for Oden despite the fact that he's yet to have played a single game in the NBA suggests that you're just another brainless sheep that will buy into any hype thrown your way because it hurts when you try and think. I bet you still have your Harold Minor jersey.

Originally Posted by Nimreitz

And by the way, Oden will score more than Bynum.

No chance. Bynum's low post game is light years ahead of Oden's due to working with a guy named Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Oden may be big, but there are many bigger in the NBA, including Mr. Bynum himself. He can't rely on physicality like he did in dominating those grueling 6'7" Big Ten centers. He's gonna have to actually develop some low-post skills.

[NewAgeBaller]

Originally Posted by Somebody Call My Mama

That's all nice and dandy, but least ye forget Oden was outplayed by Roy Hibbert just a week earlier.

Oh, and why Greg Oden was in college "dominating" those future megastars Al Horford and Joakim Noah, Andrew Bynum was in the big boys league DOMINATING a kid named Kevin Garnett. 6-9, 20 points, 14 rebounds, 3 blocks in 29 minutes. Oh, and Bynum's team actually won.



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What....



Exactly?

Media Hype. Nothing more. Because there's nothing more to go on.

There was a guy named Patrick Ewing. He was hyped to the moon and back as being the next dominate NBA center; a future multi-time NBA champion, multi-time MVP. Yet, just a year prior, there was another center drafted #1 overall but without 1/2 the hype. His name was Hakeem Olajuwon, and he ended up being Patrick Ewing's daddy.

Greg Oden is to Patrick Ewing as Andrew Bynum is to Hakeem Olajuwon.

Bynum = the steak
Oden = the sizzle



And your hype for Oden despite the fact that he's yet to have played a single game in the NBA suggests that you're just another brainless sheep that will buy into any hype thrown your way because it hurts when you try and think. I bet you still have your Harold Minor jersey.



No chance. Bynum's low post game is light years ahead of Oden's due to working with a guy named Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Oden may be big, but there are many bigger in the NBA, including Mr. Bynum himself. He can't rely on physicality like he did in dominating those grueling 6'7" Big Ten centers. He's gonna have to actually develop some low-post skills.

I thought you were a Blazer fan..

Are you? Or was that Lakers?

[KillWill]

Originally Posted by NewAgeBaller

I thought you were a Blazer fan..

Are you? Or was that Lakers?

why should that matter? call it like you see it.

[BALLS]

Originally Posted by Somebody Call My Mama

That's all nice and dandy, but least ye forget Oden was outplayed by Roy Hibbert just a week earlier.

Does making things up make you feel better?

Based.... On.... What.... Exactly? Media Hype. Nothing more. Because there's nothing more to go on.

NBA scouts are rarely wrong about the best talent in the draft. When a player like Oden or LeBron comes out it's pretty obvious they're going to be dominant. And yes, Oden is at the same level LeBron was coming out. That doesn't have to do with media hype like you'd like to believe either. It has to do with very skilled and highly paid individuals using years of scouting experience.

Do you think the Spurs were just buying into the hype when they offered Tim Duncan to Portland for Oden? What about the Lakers? They offered Kobe Bryant for Oden. Why would they do that if they already have a Bynum who's supposedly so much better than him? Would either of those teams trade Duncan or Kobe for Bynum? Not a chance, he's a good center just not a special player.

There was a guy named Patrick Ewing. He was hyped to the moon and back as being the next dominate NBA center; a future multi-time NBA champion, multi-time MVP. Yet, just a year prior, there was another center drafted #1 overall but without 1/2 the hype. His name was Hakeem Olajuwon, and he ended up being Patrick Ewing's daddy.

Greg Oden is to Patrick Ewing as Andrew Bynum is to Hakeem Olajuwon.

Patrick Ewing was 6'9. Olajuwon and Oden are 7' that's quite a big difference. And last I checked Ewing dominated the league for years. Bynum is like a scrub when compared to Ewing.

Bynum = the steak
Oden = the sizzle

Yeah, a cheap @ss Sizzler steak, or maybe the steak you get from Taco Bell. What the hell has Bynum done to warrant such praise? The guy isn't even a top 5 center in the league and is averaging a very poor, and mediocre, and not special, and not good, and nothing but average 13 and 10. Big whoop, that's not impressive. You may think Bynum's better offensively, but I guarentee you that Oden will average more than 13 points in his rookie season and WAY MORE by his third season.

Bynum = Needs steak sauce.

Oden may be big, but there are many bigger in the NBA, including Mr. Bynum himself. He can't rely on physicality like he did in dominating those grueling 6'7" Big Ten centers. He's gonna have to actually develop some low-post skills.

Haha... Bynum is a shrimp when put next to Oden who's currently just under 300 pounds of muscle. Meanwhile Bynum's working on his beer gut. Oh and Oden also has athleticism which Bynum will never have. You do understand that Oden is BY FAR the fastest big in the game right? In fact he could be the fastest big of all time. In fact he's faster and more agile than most of the guards in the NBA. Hyperbole? Nope, look at his workout numbers. There was only one player faster than him, Mike Conley Jr and just barely.

And last I checked Horford and Noah aren't 6'7, but keep up your hyperbole to make yourself fell better.

[BALLS]

Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

It throws your "third year player" argument out the window. Jim Jackson was a better player than Kobe Bryant in their respective 2nd years.

Jim Jackson was an All-Star starter?

[afobisme]

Originally Posted by BALLS

Does making things up make you feel better?



NBA scouts are rarely wrong about the best talent in the draft. When a player like Oden or LeBron comes out it's pretty obvious they're going to be dominant. And yes, Oden is at the same level LeBron was coming out. That doesn't have to do with media hype like you'd like to believe either. It has to do with very skilled and highly paid individuals using years of scouting experience.

Do you think the Spurs were just buying into the hype when they offered Tim Duncan to Portland for Oden? What about the Lakers? They offered Kobe Bryant for Oden. Why would they do that if they already have a Bynum who's supposedly so much better than him? Would either of those teams trade Duncan or Kobe for Bynum? Not a chance, he's a good center just not a special player.

oh yeah? ever heard of andrea bargnagni? kwame brown? scouts are are never wrong with the best talent huh?

and when did the spurs offer duncan for oden, and the lakers offer kobe for oden? seriously, sounds like you're the one making things up.

[BALLS]

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