[Brandname]

Originally Posted by KDOS

There's a difference between those who watch a game and those who really watches games. And Im not about to put you in either group, categorically speaking. You know who you are.

Yeah, I know which one I am.

But you seem to be implying that those who 'really watch the game' are going to pick Kobe, as if you're not a true basketball fan unless you understand that Kobe's the best. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not what you mean.

It is interesting as futuristxen said to compare the results of the casual fan poll on ESPN vs. the basketballforum poll. It does seem to indicate that Kobe has a lot of casual fans compared to a lot of other NBA players. Maybe it's the market he plays in, maybe it's that he's been so good for so long. But the poll results are very different from what you get when you poll people who discuss basketball on a daily basis, when the results are much closer.

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by KDOS

Hilarity ensues.




No offense to this board and its posters but what makes a small fraction of posters in this board (compared to thousands of fans worldwide) as the the designated messenger of universal truth in the universe?


Wow. This is getting ridiculous, lol.

There is no universal truth when it comes to these things, just a bunch of opinions. They're pretty close, there's really no doubt about that.

The results are very different though, and it's interesting to see how the votes are split.

[PauloCatarino]

Originally Posted by Brandname

Yeah, I know which one I am.

But you seem to be implying that those who 'really watch the game' are going to pick Kobe, as if you're not a true basketball fan unless you understand that Kobe's the best. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not what you mean.

It is interesting as futuristxen said to compare the results of the casual fan poll on ESPN vs. the basketballforum poll. It does seem to indicate that Kobe has a lot of casual fans compared to a lot of other NBA players. Maybe it's the market he plays in, maybe it's that he's been so good for so long. But the poll results are very different from what you get when you poll people who discuss basketball on a daily basis, when the results are much closer.

Brandname: a couple of days after Kobe pulled of the 81 point game, there was a thread in this Board about the best player in the NBA. Kobe got like 95% of the votes.

We are the same as ESPN.

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

Oh, goodie... Another The New One vs The Great One debate... How refreshing!

My thoughts about this are:
1- I thought Kobe jockers were annoying. But boy, how Lebron jockers are stampeding all over this Forum!
2- They are preety much at the same level. I give the nod to Kobe, still. That could change in the near future (like, this years' playoffs);
3- The playoffs are all that matters. Duncan is the living proof of that saying. This year both players have the chance and the roster to make some serious damage. there are no excuses left for either of them (even if Bynum doesn't come in in game shape);
4- Some people remember Lebron leading the Cavs to the Finals as a great accomplishment. My recollection is about him completely embarassing himself at the Great Stage. And needing a guy nicknamed Boobie to get him there. Maybe this year it will be different...

5- After the playoffs have ended, some light will be put in this discussion...

You make a lot of good points, but frankly #4 is a bit silly. Any player who gets to the NBA finals is going to need at least one teammate to step up sooner or later. Saying 'Lebron needed a guy nicknamed Boobie to get him there' sounds like some kind of knock against him, which I wouldn't understand.

[Basel57]

Originally Posted by Brandname

Yeah, I know which one I am.

But you seem to be implying that those who 'really watch the game' are going to pick Kobe, as if you're not a true basketball fan unless you understand that Kobe's the best. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not what you mean.

It is interesting as futuristxen said to compare the results of the casual fan poll on ESPN vs. the basketballforum poll. It does seem to indicate that Kobe has a lot of casual fans compared to a lot of other NBA players. Maybe it's the market he plays in, maybe it's that he's been so good for so long. But the poll results are very different from what you get when you poll people who discuss basketball on a daily basis, when the results are much closer.

Who's to say that the voters on ESPN don't discuss basketball on a daily basis, though? Just because they don't all post on this website, it doesn't mean they don't discuss basketball on a daily basis.

Anyway, this debate is just becoming so tiresome now. Nobody's going to change their mind on who the best player really is, unless maybe one of them wins a championship. And even then, most people won't change their minds.

[KillWill]

Originally Posted by SamTheMan67;

Damn glad we got that figured out. Did you use the scientific method to come up with that?

edit - no need for that

your sarcasm has convinced us all.

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

Brandname: a couple of days after Kobe pulled of the 81 point game, there was a thread in this Board about the best player in the NBA. Kobe got like 95% of the votes.

We are the same as ESPN.

Yeah, you are right. We're just as impressionable as anyone else. But at least the poll in question wasn't taken after any kind of big performance by either.

But you're right, we're all kind of the same way.

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by Basel57

Who's to say that the voters on ESPN don't discuss basketball on a daily basis, though? Just because they don't all post on this website, it doesn't mean they don't discuss basketball on a daily basis.

Anyway, this debate is just becoming so tiresome now. Nobody's going to change their mind on who the best player really is, unless maybe one of them wins a championship. And even then, most people won't change their minds.

Maybe they do, but if their discussions are anything like the actual ESPN message boards, I would definitely lend more credibility to a place like this.

And I don't think it's so much that they're ignorant or something like that, but rather they just took the poll after a big game by Kobe. Like Paulo pointed out, the same thing would happen here. Bad timing on their part, I think. Maybe intentional, who knows.

[Basel57]

Originally Posted by Brandname

Maybe they do, but if their discussions are anything like the actual ESPN message boards, I would definitely lend more credibility to a place like this.

And I don't think it's so much that they're ignorant or something like that, but rather they just took the poll after a big game by Kobe. Like Paulo pointed out, the same thing would happen here. Bad timing on their part, I think. Maybe intentional, who knows.

The thing is, though, that they made sure to do it when LeBron had a big game as well. Sure, he didn't hit 52 points and he didn't do it against a team like Dallas, but he still had a big game.

I think the only reason anyone is even discussing this at length right now is because both teams did it on ABC in the national spotlight.

If both LeBron and Kobe had the same games on Sunday, but not on National TV, I don't know that ESPN would even be giving them all of this coverage.