[PauloCatarino]

Originally Posted by Brandname

No, it didn't make it ok at all. My point was that calls were missed down the stretch of a lot of those games, on both sides. Nobody was 'gifted' any game. He still had to hit a difficult shot because he was getting fouled after he traveled.

Sure he was.

Look, Brandname, i have been spoonfed mr. Lebron James for years now by the media and it just won't fly. Maybe you are more impressionable (sp?) than i am, so you can see though all the BS that's been made about this player...

First, it was the "he's so young" excuses...
Now, he is 23 years of old. No championships. No MVPs.
Then, it was "he is Magic and Jordan comined"...
Then he stopped playing PG. And stopped playing SG.
Then, it was the whole "firdst player to get back-to-back-home-games-whatever-in-the-playoffs"
then, refs were bailing him out.

I'm sick of all this crap!

Is Lebron James having a monster year?
Is Lebron James one of the best 5 players in the League?
Right in both counts.
HAs it mean much so far?
Absolutely not.

I hated Kobe Bryant with a passion (resulting in my voicing that the Lakers should kick his *** outta Dodge after his public tantrums this off-season). But i can see and apretiate what he has developed into.

the Lakers are at top of the Western Conference.
The same Conference who has some MVPs aorund.
The same Conference that has Duncan and the Spurs, Dallas, Phoenix, and the Eastern imports like Iverson, Shaq and Kidd.
The Lakers are at top without their Center and with guys like Fisher and Wanton starting.
That's a freaking feat.

The Cavs are #4 in the Eastern Conference where there are only 2 teams worth been giving a damn, in Boston and Detroit (and Detroit is going nowhere).

So, please marvel at Lebron James' stats. I would rather watch Kobe and the way he is blending into the underdog Lakers.

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by Dre™

This is unfair to Kobe. He's the most complete player in the game, and Lebron has a lot to work on before he compares on either side of the ball. His offensive game is too limited at this point, and until Lebron becomes a better overrall shooter and doesn't just rely on his size to do the job, they're not going to compare player to player.

This is silly, to be frank. Shooting is simply one aspect of what makes someone a good basketball player. I definitely believe that Kobe is the better shooter than Lebron. He's just not as good in a lot of other areas.

[liekomgj4ck]

Originally Posted by Brandname

I don't have a problem with people who vote for Kobe at all. Kobe received a lot of votes when we took this poll a couple of weeks ago, it's silly to think that's he's not going to get a lot of votes now.

I was just teasing you

I think I actually like Lebron more personally but I got to vote for Kobe. I even think I would rather have Lebron on the Bulls than Kobe, but that's just me. I just hate the person Kobe, that's all.

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

Sure he was.

Look, Brandname, i have been spoonfed mr. Lebron James for years now by the media and it just won't fly. Maybe you are more impressionable (sp?) than i am, so you can see though all the BS that's been made about this player...

First, it was the "he's so young" excuses...
Now, he is 23 years of old. No championships. No MVPs.
Then, it was "he is Magic and Jordan comined"...
Then he stopped playing PG. And stopped playing SG.
Then, it was the whole "firdst player to get back-to-back-home-games-whatever-in-the-playoffs"
then, refs were bailing him out.

I'm sick of all this crap!

Is Lebron James having a monster year?
Is Lebron James one of the best 5 players in the League?
Right in both counts.
HAs it mean much so far?
Absolutely not.

I hated Kobe Bryant with a passion (resulting in my voicing that the Lakers should kick his *** outta Dodge after his public tantrums this off-season). But i can see and apretiate what he has developed into.

the Lakers are at top of the Western Conference.
The same Conference who has some MVPs aorund.
The same Conference that has Duncan and the Spurs, Dallas, Phoenix, and the Eastern imports like Iverson, Shaq and Kidd.
The Lakers are at top without their Center and with guys like Fisher and Wanton starting.
That's a freaking feat.

The Cavs are #4 in the Eastern Conference where there are only 2 teams worth been giving a damn, in Boston and Detroit (and Detroit is going nowhere).

So, please marvel at Lebron James' stats. I would rather watch Kobe and the way he is blending into the underdog Lakers.

Well it's not like you've ever been particularly unbiased when it comes to LBJ. You've always hated the guy.

What Lebron has done this year goes way beyond stats by the way. He's just got 'it'. He's killing teams at the end of games. Just crushing their spirit. My arguments in this thread haven't been based on stats.

If your argument is that the Lakers are a better team than the Cavs, I will readily concede that, even though it hasn't been shown in their recent head to head matchups.

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by liekomgj4ck

I was just teasing you

I think I actually like Lebron more personally but I got to vote for Kobe. I even think I would rather have Lebron on the Bulls than Kobe, but that's just me. I just hate the person Kobe, that's all.

I think it just depends on what you need for your team. There will be teams that would need a Lebron more than a Kobe, and there are teams that would need a Kobe more than a Lebron.

It's the people who act like this somehow isn't close that are being ridiculous.

[Hakeem]

Why are all the LeBron fans too scared to say he is better than Kobe? Seriously. Futuristxen?

I think Kobe is a slightly better scorer and a marginally better defender. LeBron is a significantly better passer and rebounder. Both guys' value go beyond the stat sheets, but in similar ways. I understand that Kobe is playing less of a scoring role in his team's offense, but I don't think he has improved as a player since the 35 ppg season, and LeBron this year is better than Kobe was that year too. I also think LeBron would play at least as well in a situation like Kobe's right now.

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by Hakeem

Why are all the LeBron fans too scared to say he is better than Kobe? Seriously. Futuristxen?

I think Kobe is a slightly better scorer and a marginally better defender. LeBron is a significantly better passer and rebounder. Both guys' value go beyond the stat sheets, but in similar ways. I understand that Kobe is playing less of a scoring role in his team's offense, but I don't think he has improved as a player since the 35 ppg season, and LeBron this year is better than Kobe was that year too. I also think LeBron would play at least as well in a situation like Kobe's right now.

I'm not scared to say he's better. I've said that I believe he's the better player.

But the reason I'm not speaking in absolutes is because I see how ridiculous is sounds when people like Dre do it. Makes me think they haven't seen the two guys play that much. Being as objective as I can when I watch the two, they're pretty damn close in the way they can completely command a game. I just happen to think Lebron's a little more effective. And it's not just me being a homer because I've tried to account for that when deciding how I'm ranking them. I thought Kobe was the better player last year.

It's also why I'm not going to insult Kobe to make Lebron look better. It's silly what some people will do. But of course I'm the one who's going to be labeled as the fanboy, but whatever. I'm just trying to be as honest as I can.

[liekomgj4ck]

Originally Posted by Brandname

I think it just depends on what you need for your team. There will be teams that would need a Lebron more than a Kobe, and there are teams that would need a Kobe more than a Lebron.

It's the people who act like this somehow isn't close that are being ridiculous.

Yeah it's definitely close. Lebron is just insane and something I don't think the NBA has ever seen before. I think some people just want to see if he can keep it up. At this pace Lebron WILL pass up Kobe, as long as Lebron gets a ring.

So hit the gym Lebron and work on that jump-shot.

[PauloCatarino]

Originally Posted by Brandname

Well it's not like you've ever been particularly unbiased when it comes to LBJ. You've always hated the guy.

that doesn't affect my way of judging players. Like i've said, Lebron James is Top-5/4 in the NBA today (in no particular order - Duncan, Paul, Kobe)