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04-12-2008, 11:39 AM
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Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
If that's the case, how is it not LeBron James? His team is TERRIBLE without him. They might win 10 games on the season if LeBron was out the whole year. That seems like the definitive indication of "value" in the NBA.
But, I guess we all know it's really not who's the most valuable, but whoever the media decides to ride as "spectacular" the entire season. Kobe's played his best 3 years of his career the last 3 and it's a crime for him to walk away with 0 MVPs.
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04-12-2008, 11:41 AM
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Rumble big man, rumble.
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
Kobe is undoubtedly the most talented player overall in the NBA, but over the last 3 years he hasn't been MVP in any of them.
If there were awards based on who had the best 3 year span than it would be either Kobe or LeBron.
but the MVP is based of one season, and unfortunately Kobe hasn't been the MVP in any of the 3.
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04-12-2008, 11:42 AM
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
There is always argument over what it means.
Personally I think it should be KG this year but his numbers just aren't high enough for voters. He singlehandedly changed the tune and culture of that team, especially defensively.
That being said ... I think you can easily argue for Kobe, Paul, and Lebron as well.
If there were a best player award I think it would go to Lebron. And probably for the next 7-8yrs at least.
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04-12-2008, 12:45 PM
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
It's so hard to determine 'value', which is the real problem. It's such a vague concept that nobody really knows what it means in terms of MVP voting.
I think you could make a great case that 05-06 Kobe was 'more valuable' than this year's Kobe simply because he had to stand on his head for them to win anything. However, he's a much better 'MVP' candidate this year because the Lakers are so good.
Given the way the award has been voted in the past, Kobe should win this year. Maybe I think Lebron is the true most valuable player in the league, but that doesn't seem to matter too much. Kobe and Lebron were the 2 most valuable players in the league in 05-06, but that didn't matter in the MVP voting because their teams were much less talented than some others.
And when you're talking about true value, guys like KG and Duncan have to come into the picture too, where their numbers don't really do their true value justice. I think a 'player of the year' award would really be a neat award, since I don't think MVP will ever go to the player who really is the most valuable.
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04-12-2008, 12:46 PM
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
KG has 2 All-Stars next to him. That's the problem. As much as KG has a lot to do with it, any teams with 3 bonafide All-Stars (including 2 future HOF) you're bound to be doing as well.
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04-12-2008, 01:11 PM
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
I still don't see how you can give it to KG, because when he was out, they still were winning ball games at a .700 clip. So are they winning though osmosis? To me, I don't know how you can simply give ALL the credit to KG. Last year, his team was poo, Ray Allen's team was poo and the Celtics were poo with Pierce leading the way. However, when you put them together, you can't just give KG all the credit, like each guy hasn't stepped up and played winning ball.
I don't want to see KG get it simply for dropping a lot of F bombs in the wake of intensity. If that's the case Duncan should get the MVP, because he continues to be the best two way player in the league and even with Manu and Parker in and out of the lineup, he has kept the Spurs near the top of the West.
And we all know there is no chance Duncan is winning the MVP.
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04-12-2008, 01:11 PM
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Those are great names!
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
I don't know that the Cavs without Lebron would be that much worse than the Hornets without Paul.
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04-12-2008, 01:15 PM
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
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If that's the case, how is it not LeBron James? His team is TERRIBLE without him. They might win 10 games on the season if LeBron was out the whole year. That seems like the definitive indication of "value" in the NBA.
But, I guess we all know it's really not who's the most valuable, but whoever the media decides to ride as "spectacular" the entire season. Kobe's played his best 3 years of his career the last 3 and it's a crime for him to walk away with 0 MVPs.
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Because the writers are too stupid to grasp that a player can be the most valuable player on a team that doesn't have at least 50 wins.
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04-12-2008, 01:16 PM
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
I think they figure out MVP nowadays by using some complicated formula that's calculated in a spreadsheet.
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04-12-2008, 01:21 PM
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Re: Doesn't MVP mean Most Valuable Player?
They give you a ballot and it gives you absolutely no direction.It's entirely up to the individual voter to determine what criteria he uses to make his own decision.Only thing they tell you is to rank your choices one through five.
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04-12-2008, 01:30 PM
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