[Arclite]

Originally Posted by Diable

The problem you people have with Hollinger is that he's basing his vote on what Kobe has actually done this year rather than all sorts of BS like everyone else has.

The MVP is an on the court award. You don't win an MVP for being a nice guy and visiting kids with cancer, and you don't lose it for saying mean things about your teammates _in the offseason_. You win it for what you do on the court.

I would love for you to clarify which 'all sorts of BS' you are talking about, while defending a guy who's reason for not voting Kobe for MVP is: "and the first half of the season, when he was still feeling out whether he wanted to get with the program or not, still sits on his record."

Still feeling out whether he wanted to get with the program? A LOT of people predicted to Lakers to not even make the playoffs, yet they were 35-17 at the all star break and Kobe was putting up his 28+, 6+, and 5+ and being praised around the league for getting that team on track and playing at his 2000 level of defensive intensity again. That was just a ridiculous statement and defending it is pointless.

[EHL]

Yeah, I suspected Kobe would just barely win an MVP if he did win it this year, which I still predict he will. Paul will be a solid 2nd place, as he should (along with LeBron). KG had a brilliant season, of course, but he gets slightly penalized for missing games and not being able to play the same minutes that he used to (due to both injury and age). Btw, not surprisingly a majority of the ESPN analysts that voted used much of the same type of logic logic you'll hear from the voters who actually get to cast an MVP vote. i.e. terrible reasoning.

[afobisme]

kg missed 70 out of 80 games this season. you would really penalize him for that? nash played 76 out of 82 in one of the years he won it. 72 (likely) vs. 76 isn't that much a big difference. at least to me.

[EHL]

Missing 10 games is a lot, that's about 3 weeks depending on the month. In the 52 year history of the MVP award, only a handful of players have played fewer than 72 games, and only one player in the last 30 years has been MVP with fewer than 72 games played. The MVP race is close enough to where missing 10 games is significant. In most other years, it probably wouldn't be significant, but not this season.

[FreshCo]

Originally Posted by afobisme

kg missed 70 out of 80 games this season. you would really penalize him for that? nash played 76 out of 82 in one of the years he won it. 72 (likely) vs. 76 isn't that much a big difference. at least to me.

He only played 10 games!?

[23AJ]

Originally Posted by Diable

The problem you people have with Hollinger is that he's basing his vote on what Kobe has actually done this year rather than all sorts of BS like everyone else has.

THE NBA was better with out Hollinger, and as far as I can remember nobody needed Hollinger's stats to help them figure out who the MVP was the past oh say since the 1950s and and until he started his stat formulas. It's like suddenly people need PER to figure out who's the MVP is , or to figure out who contributes what. Fact is nobody needed it before, and nobody needs it now.

[croco]

Nobody is saying that PER is perfect, it's only a measure of efficiency after all, but it's pretty accurate with some exceptions. Kobe could easily be fourth in MVP voting because Garnett, Paul and Lebron are all deserving.

Look at what Hollinger said and please someone tell me what is wrong about it:

Kobe is a favorite because he's never won and the Lakers are likely to finish first in the West. But he didn't have his best season individually -- and the first half of the season, when he was still feeling out whether he wanted to get with the program or not, still sits on his record. I'd draft him ahead of Chris Paul in a heartbeat, but over this 82-game body of work, Paul, Garnett and James were better.

I think if Kobe had never won a championship before and someone of those other three did he might have less of an edge. You can go down as one of the best players without having won a regular season MVP because there was no season when Kobe could clearly be considered the best player in the league. I expect Kobe to win MVP this season, but it wouldn't be a travesty if he did not.

[KDOS]

I like how some of these experts says all the right things why Kobe deserves the award and still drops him all the way to third lol. Its like saying to a girl, you're pretty,smart and have a great sense of humor, but we dont share the same interest in music, so im dumping you.



There's just a lot of double standards like always when it comes to MVP awards, funny enough the most credible analysts used the right argument while those who should be working at Comedy Central instead, spurted out the same BS crap that people who watches basketball on a regular basis would'nt even dare touch to prove a point. And lol @ a Hedo vote. Also If Chris Paul gets recognition, I think it would be a crime not to mention Deron Williams.

[KDOS]

Originally Posted by croco

Look at what Hollinger said and please someone tell me what is wrong about it:.

Anytime you use the "He should've won it because he never had in the past" argument, its not going to get you anywhere. Thats just completely ignoring every positives and focusing on one angle that really doesnt matter. Like I said hypocrisy at its best, experts in the past have always used a formula of Top seed+ making your teammates better+great stats, something Kobe undeniably qualifies. Yet here he is now, and people are using the Top Seed as if its still not good enough.

Originally Posted by croco

You can go down as one of the best players without having won a regular season MVP because there was no season when Kobe could clearly be considered the best player in the league. I expect Kobe to win MVP this season, but it wouldn't be a travesty if he did not

Thats an opinion. The King of Akron disagress with you however...

Originally Posted by Lebron James

''I'd give it to Kobe,'' James said. ''What he's done this whole year, to carry that team to the No. 1 team in the West right now. He's playing his best basketball all around. I've watched him the whole year. I saw it last summer when I played with him with USA Basketball and the sacrifices he's made for the team and he's done that with the Lakers.''

I've been quoted millions of times saying Kobe is the best player in our league for the last five years,'' James said. ''He hasn't received the MVP. This is his year I think.''

Anyway, I just love it when the league's best player right now makes brief and yet precise and accurate argument for the MVP award. Something I wish people would start seeing instead.

[croco]

The Lakers don't have the top record, the Celtics do. Also I don't think that the overall record should count much when the playoff teams in the West are seperated by only seven games. If the Lakers had won two games less would this really make that big of a difference ? Kobe doesn't have the best overall record, he is not the top scorer and he doesn't have the best allround stats out of those four candidates, yet you make it sound like he should be a lock to win. The race is too close to have a clear-cut choice.

[KDOS]