[leidout]

I have maintained that redd is top 3-4 pure SG's in the nba or in the world depending on how you look at it. It was countered that he was worse or just "as good" as the following:

Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Ray Allen
Manu Ginobili
Kevin Martin
Ben Gordon
Joe Johnson
Monta Ellis
Brandon Roy
Vince Carter
Richard Hamilton
Tracy McGrady
Allen Iverson
Kevin Durant

First of all, i do believe that kobe is better than him, kobe might be the best player in the world at any position. However, we can take off a few others from that list, as they dont meet the criteria that i was saying as a pure SG:
Gordon is a combo guard.
Ellis is a combo guard.
Tmac, a SF/SG.
Iverson again a combo.
Durant a SG/SF.

Wade is borderline, but lets call him a pure 100% SG. Same with joe johnson, brandon roy. Vince carter is very borderline as if hes a SG or SG/SF.

I think that hands down top SG's would be kobe and d wade. If you include the hybrids then perhaps a healthy tmac and carter. That still puts redd right there where i said.

Kevin martin no way is as good as michael redd yet. If were going to base it on just being a 20+ point scorer then wed have to say maggette is there too, which i doubt anyone outside of our resident maggette fan would say. ray Allen is on the decline, redd has passed him. Ginobli, for sure a SG through and through, but not on the level of redd. Hamilton, a SG, a good one, but not on redd's level, its hard to be an elite SG when you rarely even take 3 pointers. Great player though. Brandon Roy i think has great potential, could be 20/5/5 next year, but another guy that you really cant say has proven himself enough to be on redd's level. Joe johnson is one i havent really thought of as a star, but i think he might have reached that status the last two years.

You watch the olympic qualifying tournament, national broadcasts, other things, and you will hear the commentators say how redd is arguably the best pure shooter around right now. I dont think that puts him on the level of a kobe or tmac, but theres a reason lebron had him at the top of his wish list, a reason why the bucks gave him all the money they could...its very hard to find a SG that can 150 3's a year. A guy who can light it up in the 4th, a guy who can average 25+ a game.

I would not mind seeing redd in a clippers uniform to see how he can do here. Someone on a bucks board even suggested something ridiculous like our 6th pick, mobley, and thomas for redd. I dont know why the bucks would ever consider that, but that would give us a pretty amazing one year shot at things with a core of kaman/brand/redd, and possibly an up and coming thornton if he can learn dunleavvy's SF position.

Edit: This is a thread that was started by yamaneko in the Clippers forum, and these are his opinions.

[c_dog]

I would say ray allen is still better than him. ray allen made the most sacrifice out of the big 3 in order to make it work, and there's little doubt that if Ray Ray were still the man on a team, he'll be dropping 25ppg like last season.

Redd is pretty good and he's always right around top 5. I think he's had his best season statistically this year but he's still about #5 or #6. You can make a case for him at #3 though since after Kobe and Wade, there's really no clear #3-6.. You can almost rank Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, and Michael Redd in any order. Joe Johnson, Manu Ginobli, Brandon Roy, Kevin Martin, and Rip Hamilton would follow.

[LameR]

I don't have a very high opinion of Redd. I'd rank Kobe, Wade, Allen, Manu, and Johnson over him.

Also, Roy's 19/5/6 now, so I find it a little funny that you say maybe he could become 20/5/5 next year. His scoring may actually end up going down with Oden and Rudy coming, with more assists resulting. [/hijack]

[HKF]

At his salary for what he brings to a team, he is one of the least impactful players in the NBA. He doesn't rebound, he doesn't assist, he simply is a volume shooter. He's basically Rashard Lewis. I know people will say, "but you're a Ben Gordon fan." To wit I will reply, it's different when Ben is scoring those points on a rookie salary deal, not a 93 million dollar contract.

[GrandKenyon6]

Redd is a tremendously over-rated player.

[Pioneer10]

No one in there right mind would take Redd over Manu (and I'm hoping the Cavs get Redd). Giniboli's a more efficient scorer (because he's get to the line), is a better defender, better passer, and better rebounder then Redd.

[croco]

He is a poor man's version of Carmelo Anthony and that is not a good thing.

[Cinco de Mayo]

I don't really care where he ranks among "pure" SGs (6-5 to 6-7 guys who don't play any other position). It's irrelevant. I'll take Monta Ellis and stick him in there at SG because he gets the job done.

That's really the only list that matters.

[Ruff Draft]

He is just a shooter. Plain and simple. I'd take everyone on that list over him easily.

[bootstrenf]

Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Ray Allen
Manu Ginobili
Kevin Martin
Ben Gordon
Joe Johnson
Monta Ellis
Brandon Roy
Vince Carter
Richard Hamilton
Tracy McGrady
Allen Iverson
Kevin Durant


only people that aren't better than redd are: ben gordon, vince carter, and kevin durant....durant only because he is a rookie with such a low shooting percentage.....


and i happent to think manu is at least a top 5 sg in the league...he has such an impact in winning and losing....mostly winning though....