[Teezy]

Iverson is the problem.. He is walking proof that the assist stat can lie.. Even with 7 assists per game as a shooting guard he is selfish and not a champion.. Put some key role players around him and Melo could be a great player.

[Vuchato]

I don't think the Nets would become contenders (although they'd be better) but Melo would definitely be a great piece to build around, with Harris as a good complimentary piece. The move would probably make us better now and in the future. We'd definitely be thin, but if Nachbar had a good year and we kept Diop, make a good MLE signing and trade Swifts expiring for a decent player(throw in Ager and get back Crawford?), we wouldn't be looking too bad.

I believe, however, that the Nuggets are probably trying to throw Camby into the deal, to remove his contract (or personality?). I hope Kiki wouldn't look to give up more to get Camby back at his age. Assuming this whole thing wasn't fabricated.

[BDB]

Originally Posted by seifer0406

Camby is more of a shot blocker than a low post defender, which is a lot like Sean Williams. This move does improve the Nets rebounding wise but strictly from a defensive standpoint, it doesn't make them that much better.

Those top 3 teams I mentioned wouldn't need to double Vince and some of them may not even double Melo. Once you get past the top 5, the bench is paper thin and without any scorers except Nachbar.

Like I said, this move may or may not make the Nets better. But I think even if it does, it's not going to make a huge difference and the Nets will end up losing a lot of potential giving up guys like the Williams/Kristic and pick(s).

A shot blocker doesn't help the interior defense because...
Sean Williams is 6'8 Camby is 7 foot big difference.

I know you hate Vince Carter and the Nets as a result but teams have been doubling Vince since his days in Toronto.
Explain to me why a team wouldn't need to double an allstar can't wait to hear your answer.
Boston has no bench and they had the best record in the league.

[seifer0406]

Originally Posted by BDB

A shot blocker doesn't help the interior defense because...
Sean Williams is 6'8 Camby is 7 foot big difference.

I know you hate Vince Carter and the Nets as a result but teams have been doubling Vince since his days in Toronto.
Explain to me why a team wouldn't need to double an allstar can't wait to hear your answer.
Boston has no bench and they had the best record in the league.

The Cavs didn't double Vince for most of the series last year. I didn't say "any team", I said the top 3 teams of Boston/Pistons/Cavs wouldn't need to double team Vince since they each have players capable of marking Vince one on one. At the end of the day it is those 3 teams that matters. The Nets wouldn't be making this trade for the sake of beating the Sixers or Raptors or Hawks.

I didn't say Camby wouldn't help out Nets interior defense, I'm only saying that you are getting pretty much the same thing with Camby as with Sean Williams, the only difference is rebounding. I hope you've been watching this year's playoffs because Pau Gasol averaged 23 points on almost 60% shooting with Camby guarding him. He isn't going to stop anyone one on one and hasn't been doing so for as long as I can remember. Lastly, Camby is 6-10 of the skinny variety. He is bigger but I think in a year or 2 when Camby is 36 and Williams has gotten his feet wet in the league Williams would be the better player at that time.

[BDB]

Originally Posted by seifer0406

The Cavs didn't double Vince for most of the series last year. I didn't say "any team", I said the top 3 teams of Boston/Pistons/Cavs wouldn't need to double team Vince since they each have players capable of marking Vince one on one. At the end of the day it is those 3 teams that matters. The Nets wouldn't be making this trade for the sake of beating the Sixers or Raptors or Hawks.

I didn't say Camby wouldn't help out Nets interior defense, I'm only saying that you are getting pretty much the same thing with Camby as with Sean Williams, the only difference is rebounding. I hope you've been watching this year's playoffs because Pau Gasol averaged 23 points on almost 60% shooting with Camby guarding him. He isn't going to stop anyone one on one and hasn't been doing so for as long as I can remember. Lastly, Camby is 6-10 of the skinny variety. He is bigger but I think in a year or 2 when Camby is 36 and Williams has gotten his feet wet in the league Williams would be the better player at that time.

You also said they probably wouldn't double Melo so...
Camby's a center who has led the league in blocks he'd be more of a presence than SWAT.
The players stopped playing defense this year tuning George Karl out, besides Camby would be in the east it's much easier.
I agree with the last sentence.

[seifer0406]

Originally Posted by BDB

You also said they probably wouldn't double Melo so...
Camby's a center who has led the league in blocks he'd be more of a presence than SWAT.
The players stopped playing defense this year tuning George Karl out, besides Camby would be in the east it's much easier.
I agree with the last sentence.

I said Lebron would be able to handle Melo. The Pistons probably wouldn't double Melo with Prince as well. The Celtics may or may not double Melo with Pierce guarding him. I repeat, those 3 teams, not the Knicks/Bucks/Bulls/Heat/Bobcats. My entire point has been that the Nets wouldn't become better than the elite Eastern teams through the trade, that's why if you are going to list examples, list them from these 3 teams.

RJ is suppose to be an offensive force averaging almost 23 points a game. You're not going to suddenly go from midnight to noon by switching him with Anthony.

Camby is a more of a presence than Williams, but again they are not that much different if you exclude rebounding. It's quite obvious that if Denver wants to include Camby in the deal to get players like Williams, they are obviously thinking that Williams can give them more in the long run. If they feel that Camby is better, they can easily just trade Melo for RJ/Pick/Kristic and leave the Williams alone. If you make this trade you are banking on the Nets contending in a year or 2, if not, Camby and Vince will both be too old by the time the Nets are ready.

[BDB]

Originally Posted by seifer0406

I said Lebron would be able to handle Melo. The Pistons probably wouldn't double Melo with Prince as well. The Celtics may or may not double Melo with Pierce guarding him. I repeat, those 3 teams, not the Knicks/Bucks/Bulls/Heat/Bobcats. My entire point has been that the Nets wouldn't become better than the elite Eastern teams through the trade, that's why if you are going to list examples, list them from these 3 teams.

RJ is suppose to be an offensive force averaging almost 23 points a game. You're not going to suddenly go from midnight to noon by switching him with Anthony.

Camby is a more of a presence than Williams, but again they are not that much different if you exclude rebounding. It's quite obvious that if Denver wants to include Camby in the deal to get players like Williams, they are obviously thinking that Williams can give them more in the long run. If they feel that Camby is better, they can easily just trade Melo for RJ/Pick/Kristic and leave the Williams alone. If you make this trade you are banking on the Nets contending in a year or 2, if not, Camby and Vince will both be too old by the time the Nets are ready.

RJ's not an offensive force he's a well balanced player I wouldn't even condider him a scorer.

Tomato tomahto. Swat wouldn't do as well in the West he's not tall enough to be the shotblocker he is on the Nets.
The deal is enticing because of Marcus Camby w/o him it doesn't make sense. They'd be giving up a lot for an upgrade they don't need at that position not to mention it would put the team over the salary cap.

If it does happen the Nets should move Carter.

[pac4eva5]

Originally Posted by seifer0406

I said Lebron would be able to handle Melo. The Pistons probably wouldn't double Melo with Prince as well. The Celtics may or may not double Melo with Pierce guarding him.

are u out of ur damn mind? NOBODY can handle melo! that is asinine! melo commands double teams every single possession. do any of u guys watch nuggets basketball? "lebron can handle him" lol give me a ****ing break. even with allen ****ing iverson, melo commanded double teams all series agaisnt the spurs last year, WITH bruce bowen on him all 40 minutes as well. not even artest can "handle" melo, unless of course u want him to foul out at half time.

[pac4eva5]

Originally Posted by Vuchato

I believe, however, that the Nuggets are probably trying to throw Camby into the deal, to remove his contract (or personality?). I hope Kiki wouldn't look to give up more to get Camby back at his age. Assuming this whole thing wasn't fabricated.

well for one, its 100% fabricated. this is good old fashioned kiki. i remember when the nuggets were locks to have arenas and kobe and manu and then ended up paying the worst contract ever to kmart. and secondly, camby has a GREAT contract. one of the best contracts in the L considering hes a top 5 center in the league. 2 years, 15 million? it doesnt get better than that unless its a rookie contract...

melo isnt getting traded for crap. hes not gtting traded at all actually. and new jersey has absolutely nothing to offer. and if by some miracle denver does deal melo to new jersey, devin harris will absolutely be included or that little one percent chance their pick ends up a top 2. thats it.