[aznzen]

on average by PER. who do you think has been the leagues top 5 players the past 5 years.


my picks

lebron
dirk
wade
amare
nash


not in order*

[Arclite]

There's no way Nash is even close to Bryant or Garnett or Timmy.

The top guys without question would be KG, Lebron, Dirk, Kobe, Duncan and Wade in some order.. one of those guys would be the odd man out, but the list is within those 6 there somewhere.

[ChrisRichards]

PER counts efficiency

so that rules kobe out.

[Arclite]

Originally Posted by ChrisRichards

PER counts efficiency

so that rules kobe out.

It definitely doesn't rule Kobe out..

http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2006/jh_ALL_PER.htm

Just sub in whatever year you want in place of 2006, the site has stats from 2005-2008. Kobe is always anywhere from 3rd to 6th-ish each year.

[Pioneer10]

For the last 4 years (if you look at 5 years you get Lebron's rookie year which is a lot worse then his other years)
Lebron has finished 6, 2, 4, 1
Duncan: 2,2,2,6
Kobe: 7, 3, 3, 8
KG: 1, 5, 5, 4
Dirk: 5,1,1,5
Nash only one top 10 finish
Amare 4,3 (only 2 top finsihes)
wade 10, 4 (only 2 top finishes again like Amare he doesn't qualify for others because of injuries)

[myst]

Originally Posted by Pioneer10

For the last 4 years (if you look at 5 years you get Lebron's rookie year which is a lot worse then his other years)
Lebron has finished 6, 2, 4, 1
Duncan: 2,2,2,6
Kobe: 7, 3, 3, 8
KG: 1, 5, 5, 4
Dirk: 5,1,1,5
Nash only one top 10 finish
Amare 4,3 (only 2 top finsihes)
wade 10, 4 (only 2 top finishes again like Amare he doesn't qualify for others because of injuries)

You're kidding about Wade right?

In 06-07 he had a PER of 29.04, a lead above Dirk of 1.34 points. That is domination. He also had a season of 27.68 and 27.43

[Flash is the Future]

Basketball-Reference.com says that among players who played at least 200 games between the 2003-2004 season and the 2007-2008 season...

1) Kevin Garnett - 26.9
2) Dirk Nowitzki - 25.8
3) Tim Duncan - 25.4
4) Lebron James - 25.2
5) Kobe Bryant - 25.2
6) Amare Stoudemire - 24.6
7) Chris Paul - 24.3
8) Dwyane Wade - 23.9
9) Yao Ming - 23.7
10) Elton Brand - 23.7
11) Shaquille O'Neal - 23.4
12) Pau Gasol - 22.5
13) Tracy McGrady - 22.5
14) Manu Ginobili - 22.3
15) Steve Nash - 22.1
16) Allen Iverson - 22.0
17) Carlos Boozer - 21.6
18) Gilbert Arenas - 21.6
19) Shawn Marion - 21.2
20) Paul Pierce - 21.2
21) Chauncey Billups - 21.1
22) Vince Carter - 21.0
23) Ray Allen - 20.6
24) Chris Bosh - 20.4
25) Dwight Howard - 20.2

[Brandname]

Originally Posted by Flash is the Future

Basketball-Reference.com says that among players who played at least 200 games between the 2003-2004 season and the 2007-2008 season...

1) Kevin Garnett - 26.9
2) Dirk Nowitzki - 25.8
3) Tim Duncan - 25.4
4) Lebron James - 25.2
5) Kobe Bryant - 25.2
6) Amare Stoudemire - 24.6
7) Chris Paul - 24.3
8) Dwyane Wade - 23.9
9) Yao Ming - 23.7
10) Elton Brand - 23.7
11) Shaquille O'Neal - 23.4
12) Pau Gasol - 22.5
13) Tracy McGrady - 22.5
14) Manu Ginobili - 22.3
15) Steve Nash - 22.1
16) Allen Iverson - 22.0
17) Carlos Boozer - 21.6
18) Gilbert Arenas - 21.6
19) Shawn Marion - 21.2
20) Paul Pierce - 21.2
21) Chauncey Billups - 21.1
22) Vince Carter - 21.0
23) Ray Allen - 20.6
24) Chris Bosh - 20.4
25) Dwight Howard - 20.2

So that includes Lebron and Wade's rookie years?

[Diable]

Originally Posted by Brandname

So that includes Lebron and Wade's rookie years?

Yes,Lebron's career PER is 25.17,so that includes his rookie season.I guess Wade as well,although he apparently hasn't played enough game to qualify for the list in career PER by active players


You look at that list and the striking thing is that apparently Duncan's career PER for his first five years is the same as the last five years and therefore the same as his career PER...While Shaq's career PER has probably dropped by ten or fifteen percent in the last five years.Of course that can happen when you go from all time great to bleh.

[DuMa]

PER doesnt like point guards. PER is an overrated statistic anyway