ROY Discussion (Mayo vs. Rose vs. Westbrook vs. Lopez)

[Marcus13]

Id just like to take a moment to smh at the T-Wolves

[Priest]

LMAO if u go to different timberwolves forums there a re a lot of people who are still in denial about the trade. they pull up combined stats of miller and love to prove the trade is helping them out...SMH!!!

[Boob-No-More]

Originally Posted by King Joseus

Quick math says he'll need to average 16 and 12 the rest of the way to reach 14/11 (on the dot). I think the rebounding numbers are more attainable than the scoring.

Agreed. For the season, he's averaging 12.5/12.3 per 36 minutes. So, if he continues to get minutes like he has been recently, averaging 11 RPG for the season is certainly doable.

He'll obviously need to pick up his scoring considerably, but that's the area of his game with the most room for improvement. I'd also like to see the Blazers integrate him more into their offense. Now that he's starting, it would be nice to see them run a few designed plays for him. He still gets most of his points off broken plays and put backs.

BNM

[MrJayremmie]

I think Greg Oden will average a double double by the end of teh year. But I don't think he is in the discussion right now for ROY.

Mayo and Rose are amazing.

[bball2223]

Mayo played ok last night. Augustin outplayed Rose (badly) in the Chicago/Charlotte Matchup last night. I would rank them like this:

1. Rose
2. Mayo
3. Augustin










Everyone else.

[MemphisX]

I am still trying to find the logical argument for Rose over Mayo at this point. I just don't see it. All people point to is assists.

[HB]

Well isn't that good enough?

[Luke]

The guy that's been supring me the most is Augustin. I knew that Rose and Mayo would be great and be the favorites for ROY, (although i had no idea that they would be this good this fast) but Augustin has been playing terrificly for the Bobcats and i have no idea why he isn't starting.

[Sir Patchwork]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

I am still trying to find the logical argument for Rose over Mayo at this point. I just don't see it. All people point to is assists.

Statistically, that's the big difference. They're almost identical statistically outside of assists. That difference is pretty reflective of their abilities. Mayo has been a slightly better scorer but Rose has been a much better playmaker/passer. That's why people see Rose as the better player right now.

[Dre]

This is irrelevant, but when I watch Rose I think he's capable of penetrating straight through a brick wall and keeping his dribble for a dunk, he's that explosive. I don't think there's a more exciting player to watch just based on sheer explosion besides Lebron.

He reminds me of a prime Steve Francis in that regard.

[Diable]

Originally Posted by VanillaPrice

The guy that's been supring me the most is Augustin. I knew that Rose and Mayo would be great and be the favorites for ROY, (although i had no idea that they would be this good this fast) but Augustin has been playing terrificly for the Bobcats and i have no idea why he isn't starting.

Mostly it's because DJ has been turning the ball over a bit too much,but also Felton has had a pretty decent season.It could be that they would like to see Raymond build up his value for a trade,but he's really been pretty good.DJ's getting good minutes and he's getting plenty of oppurtunities to demonstrate his abilities.Starting is not that big a deal really...DJ is on the floor at the end(unless the cats are getting stomped)The two of them are on the floor together a lot as well,which creates problems defensively,but they play well together too.

[MemphisX]

Originally Posted by Sir Patchwork

Statistically, that's the big difference. They're almost identical statistically outside of assists. That difference is pretty reflective of their abilities. Mayo has been a slightly better scorer but Rose has been a much better playmaker/passer. That's why people see Rose as the better player right now.

Is that due to performance or role though? I think Mayo will end up at over 3 assists per game but expecting a SG to get 5 or more assists is absurd. There are only 5 non-PGs averaging more than 5 assists per game.

[Sir Patchwork]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Is that due to performance or role though? I think Mayo will end up at over 3 assists per game but expecting a SG to get 5 or more assists is absurd. There are only 5 non-PGs averaging more than 5 assists per game.

Well then that speaks to positional value, that a good point guard is more valuable than a good shooting guard. Although Mayo may do everything his position demands, Rose does more than his position demands by being an explosive scorer as well as a good distributor and playmaker.

[aussiestatman]

Originally Posted by The Krakken

I have Rose, SLIGHTLY ahead of Mayo, due to his impact on team wins and losses. The bulls, without Rose, would be about 3-17, instead of 9-11. That's AT BEST. And that cannot be overstated. Rose has single-handedly won about 4-5 games for the bulls.

As for Oden, I just dont expect him to catch them this year. He'll have too many nights where he only plays 14 minutes due to him having 5 fouls. He'll have too many 4 point, 5 rebound and 5 foul type games.

5 foul games? how many has he had so far?
i think you underrate him, a bit like the mcmenimin guy on nba rookie rankings, outside the top 10 so far

[aussiestatman]

Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

Oden? Why?

ask again in february when he is dominating opposing centres and his stat line reads more like 17/12 and 2 or 3 blocks