[Hyperion]

Originally Posted by Pimped Out

2-3 BPG, a derivative of 1-3 BPG used in metabolism, is the bodies short term solution to low pressure. Before the body can adjust its red blood cell production, 2-3 BPG is used to affect oxygen binding to hemoglobin by lowering its affinity in tissue, hence increasing the amount of oxygen delivered to cells.

not quite. BPG is used for anaerobic metabolism. This means that you're producing more lactic acid and therefore won't see any muscle gains. It's primarily used for red blood cells as energy and your muscles for short term energy, not for endurance.

[Hyperion]

Originally Posted by E.H. Munro

Depends on how much cork, the wood used in the bat, and the bat speed of the hitter. A David Ortiz type doesn't benefit a lot because he's got a relatively slow swing. Alfonso Soriano or Dustin Pedroia, on the other hand, have a ton of bat speed, and benefit more from the lower mass.

EDIT: I should probably explain this since you're probably not a baseball player. Hitters don't cork the upper barrel of the bat. It's the bottom 12"-18" that they drill out (basically they cut the bottom of the bat off, drill out the lower bat and stuff cork in there, then glue the knob back on and use pine tar to hide the alteration). The idea is to shave a couple of ounces of weight from the bat, they don't need to drill all the way through to do that. So the cork doesn't actually decrease density in the bat's sweet spot, and you use pine tar to harden the part of the bat that is corked.

The cork in the bat absorbs the energy from the ball. It doesn't matter where it is in the bat as long as it's in the bat.

[E.H. Munro]

Originally Posted by Hyperion

The cork in the bat absorbs the energy from the ball. It doesn't matter where it is in the bat as long as it's in the bat.

Except that the bat doesn't "compress" the way you claimed. And the increased bat speed actually does help line drive hitters. Your complaint is only valid about big slow swingers, who would probably see their fly balls travel less distance due to lower bat mass , which I noted initially. But the increase of 1%-2% in bat speed is a significant advantage for line drive hitters.

[Pimped Out]

Originally Posted by Hyperion

not quite. BPG is used for anaerobic metabolism. This means that you're producing more lactic acid and therefore won't see any muscle gains. It's primarily used for red blood cells as energy and your muscles for short term energy, not for endurance.

1,3 BPG is used for glycolysis, not anaerobic respiration. Glycolysis is both a precursor for aerobic respiration and anaerobic respiration. Ultimately that is moot though because the relevant chemical here is 2,3 BPG which affects hemoglobin binding. 2,3 BPG is not used in metabolic pathways. 2,3 BPG lowers hemoglobin affinity to oxygen resulting in more O2 in body tissue.

[Hyperion]

Originally Posted by Pimped Out

1,3 BPG is used for glycolysis, not anaerobic respiration. Glycolysis is both a precursor for aerobic respiration and anaerobic respiration. Ultimately that is moot though because the relevant chemical here is 2,3 BPG which affects hemoglobin binding. 2,3 BPG is not used in metabolic pathways. 2,3 BPG lowers hemoglobin affinity to oxygen resulting in more O2 in body tissue.

Glycolysis is anaerobic respiration.

While the products of glycolysis are essential for the Kreb cycle, a buildup of that during strenuous exercise would lead to conversion of pyruvate into lactic acid rather than pyruvate into the Kreb cycle due to a shortage of oxygen. This won't stimulate production of hemoglobin in short periods. If you were to live at a constant oxygen depraved state, your body would adapt. However, this would take weeks of persistent exposure to a higher elevation.

[Pimped Out]

You are clearly ignoring the actual argument which is not about metabolism. The relevant chemical is not used metabolism. The affects are immediate for 2,3 BPG on blood. There is no associated lactic acid or pyruvate build up because glycolysis is not performed by 2,3 BPG when the body needs oxygen. The primary role of 2,3 BPG is to help the body deliver O2 when there is a shortage. It binds to hemoglobin to affect the affinity toward O2. Just admit you are not familiar with the bodies short term response to a hypobaric conditions.

[HB]

Originally Posted by Dre™

What kind of idiot doesn't know the truth about Hemaglobin levels!!!

Anyways this is much ado about nothing. Nothing's going to happen. I'd love to see him traded though.

Wonder why I missed this? Anywhoo you have got to be living in a dream world to think nothing is going to happen. Forget the feds, well don't forget them because they might want to press charges against Arenas, but definitely Mr. Stern will suspend him, how long it will be is anyone's guess? Guys on ATH were just talking about how Devin Harris said 75% of NBA players own guns, you really think Stern is going to take this lightly? Heck no.

[R-Star]

BPG? Blocks per game? Aren't there better stats to talk about when speaking of Arenas?

[Hyperion]

Originally Posted by Pimped Out

You are clearly ignoring the actual argument which is not about metabolism. The relevant chemical is not used metabolism. The affects are immediate for 2,3 BPG on blood. There is no associated lactic acid or pyruvate build up because glycolysis is not performed by 2,3 BPG when the body needs oxygen. The primary role of 2,3 BPG is to help the body deliver O2 when there is a shortage. It binds to hemoglobin to affect the affinity toward O2. Just admit you are not familiar with the bodies short term response to a hypobaric conditions.

What I don't understand is where you're getting extra BPG from. Your body can only produce so much before you become hypoxic. Your body will only release around 25-30% of oxygen bound to hemoglobin.

No, i haven't done research on hypobaric conditions, but the idea that you'll become more fit because of jogging in a low oxygen environment and then return to a normal oxygen environment is faulty logic. Rather, you would want to pump as much oxygen to your body as possible to train your muscles. In his situation, he's not near Denver, but wants to train like he is. Unfortunately your body doesn't work like that. It's lazy. It will take the easiest way out. So instead of adapting to low altitude conditions for one hour a day, it would rather run a severe oxygen debt and fatigue faster. He runs the risk of doing more brain damage (I've read his twitters) to himself.

[Jakain]

Fascinating discussion on hemoglobin. In other news:

The NBA players union will fight the Washington Wizards or the NBA if either tries to void the contracts of two Wizards players who are alleged to have pulled guns on each other before a recent practice.

"They can attempt to take any action they want, but if it contradicts or violates the collective bargaining agreement, then we will litigate over that," Billy Hunter, the NBA Players Association executive director, told the Daily News Saturday. "There's no question we'd litigate."

In light of the reported showdown between the Wizards' star guard Gilbert Arenas and injured reserve Javaris Crittenton, the NBA is expected to severely penalize the players. The possibility exists that the Wizards or NBA could move to void the players' contracts as a way to send a message that gun-play is unacceptable.

Arenas, who makes $16 million this season, would stand to lose close to $100 million. He has another $80 million over four years coming to him. Crittenton makes $1.4 million.

But Hunter indicated that commissioner David Stern is limited to what the current collective bargaining agreement permits via its rules regarding guns. At the least both players were in violation of rules that prohibit players from bringing guns onto team property. The incident allegedly occurred in the locker room of Washington's Verizon Center.

"Right now, the commissioner has ample authority to suspend or fine the players," Hunter said from San Francisco. "To me, he has too much authority and we'd like to cut back on that. I'm not for strengthening (what Stern can do)."

Like the NBA, Hunter is monitoring the investigation being done jointly by the District of Columbia police and the U.S. Attorney's office.

"The players have retained counsel, so they're not talking to anyone," Hunter said. "My reaction to all of this is I want to wait and see what the investigation shows before I make any comments."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ill_fight.html

I don't think Stern and the Wizards are going to let this situation just blow-over (and they really shouldn't in order to set an example for the league) but it looks like neither will the player's union if the **** hits the fan.

Some punishment is definitely in order though since pulling a gun on your fellow coworker would get you fired and behind bars in just about every profession.

[Hyperion]

Originally Posted by Jakain

Fascinating discussion on hemoglobin. In other news:



I don't think Stern and the Wizards are going to let this situation just blow-over (and they really shouldn't in order to set an example for the league) but it looks like neither will the player's union if the **** hits the fan.

Some punishment is definitely in order though since pulling a gun on your fellow coworker would get you fired and behind bars in just about every profession.

It's just for show. If they are convicted, the union will have no grounds to appeal. Get ready for them to serve an Artest-like suspension though.

[R-Star]

It would be ****ing hilarious if Arenas lost his contract. No one would be willing to resign that injury prone chucker to half that.

Will never happen though. He'll just get a stiff fine and plenty of games off. Seeing as how he never plays, the Wizards won't have to worry too much.

[Dre™]

Multiple sources have confirmed that Javaris Crittenton became upset with Gilbert Arenas over a card game on Washington's team flight from Phoenix on Dec. 19. Crittenton was annoyed about losing money in the game. After Arenas mocked Crittenton, the two began arguing with trash talk escalating, according to sources. A person who was on the plane and witnessed the squabble said Crittenton joked with Arenas that he would shoot him in his left knee, which has kept him sidelined for much of the past two seasons. When the players arrived for practice on Dec. 21, Arenas placed three guns on a chair next to Crittenton with a note that read, "Pick one." Arenas, according to sources, was expecting Crittenton to see it as a joke. But Crittenton wasn't laughing. He grew enraged and tossed one of the guns across the room, saying that he had his own gun, according to a person who was in the locker room at the time.

http://m.si.com/news/tr/tr/detail/21...6520473.cnnsi2

Crittenton is gonna end up playing for the Tuscaloosa Thrashers after all this.

[HB]

and Arenas better pray Stern doesn't help the Pollins tear up that contract of his.

[Dre™]

Who the **** picks a gun up and throws it