Update: Steve Nash to Lakers for package of 1st rd picks

[l0st1]

Originally Posted by Floods

Yeah, how dare Nash not sign with that freakshow in New York, or Toronto's waste of a franchise, or the sinking ship that is Dallas. How dare he want to actually contend for a ring after the cheapskates running the Suns screwed his team out of one, maybe two.

The problem , for me anyway, isn't that he wanted to go there. I mean it sucks but that's his decision. It's that he asked the suns to allow him to go there and still get paid. If he really wanted to win a title or be closer to his family then he can tale less money like every other title chaser. As for the picks, let's be real those are nothing special. The knicks sign and trade would of been a hell of a lot better. But I'm not bitter. I love the direction of our team not. That was his choice, and whatever boos he gets will be deserved in my opinion. But it won't last long.

[Jamel Irief]

I think it's always lame to boo a guy that's given your franchise so much. Regardless of how shitty you think it is that he's going to the Lakers it doesn't come close to outweighing everything else he's done with your franchise.

Shaq didn't get booed when he returned after forcing his way out.

[TucsonClip]

Nobody remembers the trade deadline the year prior, when Cuban went off on Stern and the league for taking on salary in the Marcus Thornton deal? How quickly people forget...

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/0...hornets-trade/

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban isn’t too happy with the league-owned and funded New Orleans Hornets taking back salary and sending cash in today’s trade for Sacramento forward Carl Landry. That a franchise previously on such shaky financial ground that it needed an NBA bailout earlier this season actually increased its payroll greatly irritated Cuban.

“That’s just wrong. That’s just wrong. That’s just absolutely, positively wrong,” an incredulous Cuban said before tonight’s Dallas-Utah game. “I’ll probably go against the grain from everybody else, but that is so far wrong that it’s not even close.

The NBA — Cuban and the other 28 owners – purchased the Hornets from troubled former owner George Shinn in December for approximately $300 million. The league set the Hornets’ operating budget and funds the team, which is operated by David Stern-appointed chairman Jac Sperling.

The idea was broached that the Hornets-Kings deal amounts to a form of revenue sharing and the other owners helped subsidize the trade.

“I don’t need to be competing economically with the league and myself,” Cuban said.

However, it turns into a conspiracy against the Lakers when the Hornets become the Houston Rockets of New Orleans overnight, while the league is attempting to clear their payroll to sell the team...

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Floods

Nash would have done nothing for either Dallas or Denver. Neither is close enough to a championship for Nash to make a difference. LA is two years removed from consecutive titles with the core pieces still intact, and Nash was a PERFECT fit for them.

How butthurt can one person be?

So LA is 2 years removed so Nash is a perfect fit, but Dallas 1 year removed is not?


Thought I'd point out your idiocy there. Nash is a great fit in Dallas.

[doctordrizzay]

Originally Posted by R-Star

So LA is 2 years removed so Nash is a perfect fit, but Dallas 1 year removed is not?


Thought I'd point out your idiocy there. Nash is a great fit in Dallas.

since the championship Dallas has lost these players

J.J Barea (key player)
Jason Kidd (major key player)
Tyson Chandler (major key player)
Stevenson
Jason Terry (major key player)
Caron Butler

Lakers lost these players since the championship.

Lamar odom (major key player)
Shannon Brown
Derek Fisher (key player)
Jordan Farmar

Dallas didnt win 1 game this year...and lost MORE key players from the championship run.


Nash chosing Dallas would have been so stupid.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by doctordrizzay

since the championship Dallas has lost these players

J.J Barea (key player)
Jason Kidd (major key player)
Tyson Chandler (major key player)
Stevenson
Jason Terry (major key player)
Caron Butler

Lakers lost these players since the championship.

Lamar odom (major key player)
Shannon Brown
Derek Fisher (key player)
Jordan Farmar

Dallas didnt win 1 game this year...and lost MORE key players from the championship run.


Nash chosing Dallas would have been so stupid.

Yea.... I mean if you say it, it must be right.

[Floods]

Originally Posted by R-Star

So LA is 2 years removed so Nash is a perfect fit, but Dallas 1 year removed is not?

Not since they let Tyson Chandler walk. You forget that he was the anchor of the defense that shut everybody down in the 2011 playoffs?

Thought I'd point out your idiocy there.

And you failed.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Floods

Not since they let Tyson Chandler walk. You forget that he was the anchor of the defense that shut everybody down in the 2011 playoffs?



And you failed.

Nah, I didn't really. Want to explain to me how Kobe and Nash will co exist together? How it makes Kobe a better player or even the same quality of player?

No?

Floods doesn't like actually talking about basketball and breaking it down? Oh ok.

Well I'll talk about it anyways.

Steve Nash has made a career out of making average players look great, and bad players look average. Players who can't make their own shot end up getting a ton of open looks because hes the best passer we've seen in quite a long time, and he opens the floor with his own offense as well.

Putting him on the Mavs and making a few other moves is a hell of a lot bigger move than putting him on the Lakers and telling Kobe to turn into a complimentary player.


And its pretty funny that the Mavs post season is brought up seeing as the Lakers did about as well against OKC as the Mavs did.


Please floods, enlighten us with your deep understanding of the game.

[XxIrvingxX]

Hey drizzay I think Phil Jackson retiring is also worth mentioning. But hey your logic (or w/e they call it now a days) is your logic I guess.

[XxIrvingxX]

R Star you said it yourself, Pau Gasol is underrated on this forum. So with that said, the guy is great, we all know that. So is Bynum. Artest has three point shooting abilities (well...barely), and yes, Kobe also has three point shooting. Granted, it probably will be hard at first for them to co exist, but I doubt Kobe will get in too much for Nash to not be effective still.

I won't deny that Nash would be a great fit in Dallas, of course he would. Anyone who denies that is a idiot. But Dallas just lost two key players, with Dirk being the only big time player for them left on the team atm, the Lakers still have the strong core from their last two title wins on their team (despite two of them aging), and Bynum has become an all star center. Come on now, at this point it's pretty obvious that he has a greater chance of winning in LA then he does in Dallas.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

R Star you said it yourself, Pau Gasol is underrated on this forum. So with that said, the guy is great, we all know that. So is Bynum. Artest has three point shooting abilities (well...barely), and yes, Kobe also has three point shooting. Granted, it probably will be hard at first for them to co exist, but I doubt Kobe will get in too much for Nash to not be effective still.

I won't deny that Nash would be a great fit in Dallas, of course he would. Anyone who denies that is a idiot. But Dallas just lost two key players, with Dirk being the only big time player for them left on the team atm, the Lakers still have the strong core from their last two title wins on their team (despite two of them aging), and Bynum has become an all star center. Come on now, at this point it's pretty obvious that he has a greater chance of winning in LA then he does in Dallas.

I don't argue that. I just thinking people are writing Dallas off far too quick.

I posted in the Lakers thread I think Bynum and Pau will benefit greatly from Nash. Kobe's stats are going to drop though without a doubt.

[Floods]

Originally Posted by R-Star

Nah, I didn't really. Want to explain to me how Kobe and Nash will co exist together? How it makes Kobe a better player or even the same quality of player?

What? Why would Kobe's game slide?

Nash can take the ball handling burden away from Kobe, he'll actually look to move the ball, and his outside shooting is lethal. As many Laker fans have said, the two biggest weaknesses in LA's offense this past year was ball movement and perimeter shooting. Doesn't take a genius to see that Nash is an ideal fit.

The biggest winner is Bynum, who had way too few FGA for someone with his post skills. Nash can get him more shots AND provide a lethal shooting threat that the defense cannot ignore. Bynum can put up well over 20 PPG next year if he gets the minutes (no reason to assume he won't).

Steve Nash has made a career out of making average players look great, and bad players look average. Players who can't make their own shot end up getting a ton of open looks because hes the best passer we've seen in quite a long time, and he opens the floor with his own offense as well.

Thank you, captain obvious. What deep, startling insight this is.

Putting him on the Mavs and making a few other moves is a hell of a lot bigger move than putting him on the Lakers and telling Kobe to turn into a complimentary player.

No, it's not. The Mavs won in 2011 because of their defense. Take Chandler away, and they're the same old Mavs. Nash will not change that.

And its pretty funny that the Mavs post season is brought up seeing as the Lakers did about as well against OKC as the Mavs did.

The hell are you talking about?

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Floods

What? Why would Kobe's game slide?

Nash can take the ball handling burden away from Kobe, he'll actually look to move the ball, and his outside shooting is lethal. As many Laker fans have said, the two biggest weaknesses in LA's offense this past year was ball movement and perimeter shooting. Doesn't take a genius to see that Nash is an ideal fit.

The biggest winner is Bynum, who had way too few FGA for someone with his post skills. Nash can get him more shots AND provide a lethal shooting threat that the defense cannot ignore. Bynum can put up well over 20 PPG next year if he gets the minutes (no reason to assume he won't).



Thank you, captain obvious. What deep, startling insight this is.



No, it's not. The Mavs won in 2011 because of their defense. Take Chandler away, and they're the same old Mavs. Nash will not change that.



The hell are you talking about?

So again, Kobe goes from being the primary ball handler to a spot up shooter? He's not only going to be fine with that, but thrive?

And if Bynums shot attemts are going to go way up like you've said(which I agree with), where are they going to come from? I'll give you a hint, they're going to come from Kobe.

[Floods]

Originally Posted by R-Star

So again, Kobe goes from being the primary ball handler to a spot up shooter?

Where did I say that?

He's not only going to be fine with that, but thrive?

And if Bynums shot attemts are going to go way up like you've said(which I agree with), where are they going to come from? I'll give you a hint, they're going to come from Kobe.

Regardless of whether that's true or not, if Kobe isn't okay with it, then it's his own fault seeing as he made the key recruiting push for Nash.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Floods

Where did I say that?



Regardless of whether that's true or not, if Kobe isn't okay with it, then it's his own fault seeing as he made the key recruiting push for Nash.

You asked how Kobe would slide. I explained it to you.

And I'm sorry, but I'm not sure how we've gone from "Amazing move" to "It's Kobes fault if it doesn't work!"

It's either the amazing move you're making it out to be, or it isn't.