Is it possible we are watching the best to ever do it in Lebron James ?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Da Grinch

most of what i wrote came isn't just hearsay, the book The Jordan Rules most of the information came from phil jackson who was an assistant coach before he was head coach for those teams and the stuff said has been verified by numerous people.

**** Sam Smith. **** all the bleeding heart, failed true writing sports reporters and their glorification of the mundane. Jordan was a superb basketball player. My point is you can't criticize him for deciding to play a certain brand of basketball, can't deem it "more selfish," when that brand of basketball was so successful. If he could have won 6 championships passing the ball more he would have done that, but he instead achieved the highest career scoring average because it was the most productive style. The end result is all that mattered. Arguing that he was flawed in some way because the means he used to achieve his results wasn't to a certain taste is ludicrous.

[Dre]

It's kind of wild, Jordan was averaging like 8 assists as a 6'6 shooting guard and being called selfish.

Don't face value that, take the whole account into picture and then "wonder" if he could've won without being the scorer he had to be in Chicago.

And not only that he won 6 titles in one of the most ball movement predicated offenses ever. Goof balls.

[e-monk]

Collins had him playing point that season

but what hasnt been addressed is this? has Lebron saved us from space aliens? didnt think so - thread closed

[E.H. Munro]

Originally Posted by e-monk

Collins had him playing point that season

but what hasnt been addressed is this? has Lebron saved us from space aliens? didnt think so - thread closed

But he did save us, for about a month, from Hoodey & 23 AJ. So there is that.

[Dre]

Originally Posted by e-monk

Collins had him playing point that season

but what hasnt been addressed is this? has Lebron saved us from space aliens? didnt think so - thread closed

You have cute little one sentence replies to shit you were coherent for way back..but no.

Answer this:

"wonder" if he could've won without being the scorer he had to be in Chicago.

What's your answer

[Da Grinch]

Originally Posted by Adam

**** Sam Smith. **** all the bleeding heart, failed true writing sports reporters and their glorification of the mundane. Jordan was a superb basketball player. My point is you can't criticize him for deciding to play a certain brand of basketball, can't deem it "more selfish," when that brand of basketball was so successful. If he could have won 6 championships passing the ball more he would have done that, but he instead achieved the highest career scoring average because it was the most productive style. The end result is all that mattered. Arguing that he was flawed in some way because the means he used to achieve his results wasn't to a certain taste is ludicrous.

of course you can still criticize him Jordan was a basketball player , not a God, he wasn't perfect .

he won 6 titles in 15 seasons , not 15 for 15, there are players who have won at a higher rate. he didn't go 82-0 in any season, hell he even did a commercial commenting on how past failures drive him .

and if you want to correlate winning to his scoring avg. you cant ,in his prime his teams won more generally when he scored less , his career high actually came in a losing season(40-42), so basically the more selfish he was the more he lost. and in no season that he won more than 61 games did he avg. more than 30.4 points per game.

because he dominated the ball the way he did he could never play with a true point guard which is why he was alongside paxson kerr bj and harper, guys who played best off the ball. when he was playing with normal point guards in the 80's it didn't work out because of him.

he didn't win by himself, he also played with a top 5 all time small forward in pippen and the best head coach ever in phil jackson and without them he has never gotten past the 1st round with his brand of play that you tout so highly.

[Da Grinch]

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[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by e-monk

Collins had him playing point that season

but what hasnt been addressed is this? has Lebron saved us from space aliens? didnt think so - thread closed

This is true...and he did it all WITHOUT Pippen.

Originally Posted by roux2dope

wow.. Hoodey and XX going at it here

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by Dre

You have cute little one sentence replies to shit you were coherent for way back..but no.

is this how you characterize facts like: Collins had Jordan play point guard during the 88-89 season? not sure how long that sentence has to look to you to convey the truth of the matter - he played point guard the season he averaged 8 apg, fact - not a detraction, he still lead the league in scoring and nearly logged a triple double and all that - not sure what your beef is, actually makes him look more versatile

http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bulls...blockID=647016

and even when he wasnt literally running the point he was still the primary distributor and ball handler in a role he would later hand off to Pippen as Pippen matured

Answer this:

What's your answer

um, not with the bulls as constituted,

now was he capable of reining it in should he have had a more explosive supporting cast? or was he an iverson-like 'gonna have to build a very specific kind of team around him to accomodate the fact that he's not going to want to co-exist with another dominant scorer'? that's an interesting question - I 'wonder'

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

This is true...and he did it all WITHOUT Pippen.

yeah but you could argue that Mike never saved the world from Aliens without Bugs Bunny at his side

[seifer0406]

Originally Posted by e-monk

yeah but you could argue that Mike never saved the world from Aliens without Bugs Bunny at his side

You need to stop with the movie references. Only a very selected few have actually seen those movies. The rest of us have no idea what you are talking about.

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by seifer0406

You need to stop with the movie references. Only a very selected few have actually seen those movies. The rest of us have no idea what you are talking about.

I dont need to stop with anything - you need to stop with your face - your ignorance is not my problem

hoodey stated that we were all dupes to the corporate campaign to elevate Lebron who 'unlike Mike' has all these advertisers and the media behind him selling him as this global brand product - now the irony of that 'unlike Mike' bit needs to be punctuated and underlined as much as possible IMO

[seifer0406]

you, hoodey, and irving should go reenact the Human Centipede and leave all of us in peace.

[e-monk]

look, your staggering ignorance should not be the metric of what is valuable in these forums - read more, post less and maybe you'll learn something new

[seifer0406]

no.