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View Poll Results: Who's the 9th best defender in NBA history?
Gary Payton 3 15.79%
Dennis Johnson 1 5.26%
Alvin Robertson 0 0%
Clyde Frazier 1 5.26%
Bruce Bowen 0 0%
Sidney Moncreif 0 0%
Michael Cooper 1 5.26%
Michael Jordan 3 15.79%
Bobby Jones 0 0%
Ron Artest 1 5.26%
Lebron James 0 0%
Dave DeBusschere 0 0%
Kevin McHale 0 0%
Ben Wallace 1 5.26%
Dwight Howard 3 15.79%
Patrick Ewing 0 0%
Nate Thurmond 0 0%
Dikembe Mutombo 4 21.05%
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 0 0%
Mark Eaton 1 5.26%
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Greatest Defenders of All-Time (9th)

So the current list looks like this:
  1. Bill Russell
  2. Hakeem Olajuwon
  3. Tim Duncan
  4. Dennis Rodman
  5. Scottie Pippen
  6. Wilt Chamberlain
  7. David Robinson
  8. Kevin Garnett
Who's next?
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Dikembe is way over due for this. Come on people.
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3 out of 10 votes to Mutombo. I would hate to call it on that basis. Let's get some more votes in here.
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I'm a big fan of Mutombo, but while I'd say he was obviously one of the most effective defenders of his era I'm not ready to say he belongs this high on a list of the best defenders of all time. I'm looking at Payton and Jordan first.
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I realize how good of a defender Payton was but what puts him over say Artest?
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There is no winner at this point. 14 votes. Most anyone has is 3. Need more input.
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I realize how good of a defender Payton was but what puts him over say Artest?
or Mike or Frazier or Moncrief or DJ?
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or Mike or Frazier or Moncrief or DJ?
He won defensive player of the year. Those guys that I bolded didn't (I think...)
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or Mike or Frazier or Moncrief or DJ?
Little if anything. They are all very close to one another, in my book. Jordan and Payton were more disruptive in the passing lanes, for what that might be worth, while still being smothering man defenders. I'm tempted to say Jordan should get the nod here because his combination of size and athleticism arguably gave him more versatility in covering more positions and types of players. It was basically a coin toss for me between him and Payton, and the coin landed Payton side up. I'd take Frazier, next, then Moncrief and then DJ - just considering perimeter defenders and without bothering to figure out how the next tier of big guys like Mutombo and Eaton factor in.
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Re: Greatest Defenders of All-Time (9th)

"Man, that guy is so huge you can't even see the basket!" - David Robinson.

Yeah, i voted for The Finger.
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I voted for MJ... he could do it all defensively. I think he's a better defender than Gary Payton. Really hard to compare the bigs and the wings... I think Payton and Mutombo would probably be among my next couple of picks... I believe MJ has said that Moncrief was the toughest cover he faced.
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I voted for MJ... he could do it all defensively. I think he's a better defender than Gary Payton. Really hard to compare the bigs and the wings... I think Payton and Mutombo would probably be among my next couple of picks... I believe MJ has said that Moncrief was the toughest cover he faced.
He was probably referring to Dumars.
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He was probably referring to Dumars.
He may have said it about both of them at different times, I can find some Jordan quotes raving about Moncrief's D, but not the one I was remembering.
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He may have said it about both of them at different times, I can find some Jordan quotes raving about Moncrief's D, but not the one I was remembering.
Reading your previous post, i checked bb-ref to confirm that, apparently, Jordan didn't play (at least enough) a prime Sidney Moncrief.
IIRC, i've heard Jordan talking about Joey D in the meaning you posted.

But hey, this is Michael Jordan we're talking about. We must thake whatever he has said with a grain of salt...
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Michael Jordan once told the Los Angeles Times, "When you play against Moncrief, you're in for a night of all-around basketball. He'll hound you everywhere you go, both ends of the court. You just expect it."
http://www.nba.com/history/players/moncrief_bio.html

I found that, but I'll see if I can find the quote I was thinking of
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