Rondo speaks on Ray

[Knick Killer]

Ray Allen isn't even half the player he used to be and the Celtics upgraded with Jason Terry. This is getting way too much attention.

[Marcus13]

Originally Posted by Knick Killer

Ray Allen isn't even half the player he used to be and the Celtics upgraded with Jason Terry. This is getting way too much attention.

Jason Terry? 0_O

Courtney Lee is better than Terry

[Marcus13]

Originally Posted by King Sancho Fantastic

To me it strikes me as a bitch move by Allen. I could see if Miami offered him more money or a bigger role or if Boston was some lottery squad not going anywhere, Boston is still a threat and they offered him more money for essentially the same role.

It's a bitch move that Ray left an organization that benched him for an inferior player, told him that he was traded last season, and signed a player to take over his role? Oh, ok. He kept an extremely professional demeanor to the media/public and played through the playoffs on a season-ending injury to give that same organization a shot at another title. Somehow, I doubt you're some incredibly loyal person who would stick around with a company that did similar things to you.

[King Sancho Fantastic]

FOH with that shit. That just makes him thin skinned then. Boston shopped everyone on that roster at some point last season including their best player Rondo. KG resigned showing loyalty not just to his organization, but to his teammates as well. Ray bailed on them to sign for less with the defending champs and a hated rival. I'll give him this, he was a free agent and it was his right to sign with any team but signing with the Heat is a slap to the face of his teammates in Boston and judging by what the media is reporting about KG, some of them see it as just that.

[Marcus13]

Originally Posted by King Sancho Fantastic

FOH with that shit. That just makes him thin skinned then. Boston shopped everyone on that roster at some point last season including their best player Rondo. KG resigned showing loyalty not just to his organization, but to his teammates as well. Ray bailed on them to sign for less with the defending champs and a hated rival. I'll give him this, he was a free agent and it was his right to sign with any team but signing with the Heat is a slap to the face of his teammates in Boston and judging by what the media is reporting about KG, some of them see it as just that.

You can call it thin skinned - but most of the greats would react in the same way regardless of what stage of their career they're in. Their pride is one of the attributes that makes them great. Of course it was a slap in the face - that was the entire point. The organization slapped him in the fast multiple times, so he stripped them of their title hopes. He left on his terms, not on theirs. Karma's a bitch

[Bogg]

Originally Posted by Marcus13

You can call it thin skinned - but most of the greats would react in the same way regardless of what stage of their career they're in. Their pride is one of the attributes that makes them great. Of course it was a slap in the face - that was the entire point. The organization slapped him in the fast multiple times, so he stripped them of their title hopes. He left on his terms, not on theirs. Karma's a bitch

He didn't strip Boston of anything. A) They weren't winning the title this coming year with or without him, B) Terry's just as good as him when coming off the bench, and C) the Celtics play better with a healthy Avery Bradley(Tony Allen with a corner 3) in the starting lineup than they did with Ray Allen. Bradley-Allen or Bradley-Terry doesn't make much of a difference, the only scenario in which Boston is really hurt by Ray leaving is if Bradley's recovery time stretches deep into the season.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Knick Killer

Ray Allen isn't even half the player he used to be and the Celtics upgraded with Jason Terry. This is getting way too much attention.

Thank you deus ex machina for swooping in with irrelevant opinions. None of that adds anything to the crux of the discussion. You seem to be implying the Celtics didn't want him back when clearly that wasn't the case.

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by King Sancho Fantastic

FOH with that shit. That just makes him thin skinned then. Boston shopped everyone on that roster at some point last season including their best player Rondo. KG resigned showing loyalty not just to his organization, but to his teammates as well. Ray bailed on them to sign for less with the defending champs and a hated rival. I'll give him this, he was a free agent and it was his right to sign with any team but signing with the Heat is a slap to the face of his teammates in Boston and judging by what the media is reporting about KG, some of them see it as just that.

You are taking this way to seriously. This wasn't like when Lebron left Cleveland were the team was still regarded by many as one of the best teams in the east, if not the NBA. Allen was having problems with their best player, and he was on a team that clearly wasn't going to win anything. Boston's not the team they were in 2008. They no longer have that great defensive combo of Garnett/Perkins, most of their best players are aging veterans who will be done very soon (not like next year soon but their time is coming). Rondo's the only notable player who's actually in his prime right now, but they clearly need more than that. Unfortunately what they have right now isn't enough.

Ray didn't bail on anyone. He made a decision and decided that Miami is the best possible place to win a championship. End of story.

[Jace]

Yeah, Ray is a pragmatic thinker. I'm not sure going to Miami was meant to be a stab in the back. LeBron has been trying to get Ray here since Decision summer, before Ray re-upped in Boston. Miami was the best team showing abundant interest in him. I won't say he isn't pleased with the added benefit of now being with the team's chief competition, but I think that's more of a consequence of the decision, rather than a driving factor.

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by Jace

Thank you deus ex machina for swooping in with irrelevant opinions. None of that adds anything to the crux of the discussion. You seem to be implying the Celtics didn't want him back when clearly that wasn't the case.

didnt the Celtics sign Jason Terry before Allen made his decision to go to Miami? what did the celtics offer him to come back?

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by King Sancho Fantastic

FOH with that shit. That just makes him thin skinned then. Boston shopped everyone on that roster at some point last season including their best player Rondo. KG resigned showing loyalty not just to his organization, but to his teammates as well. Ray bailed on them to sign for less with the defending champs and a hated rival. I'll give him this, he was a free agent and it was his right to sign with any team but signing with the Heat is a slap to the face of his teammates in Boston and judging by what the media is reporting about KG, some of them see it as just that.

I don't agree at all.

You think if Kobe was actively being shopped and told he was pretty much out the door, he'd come back and sign the next year? Not a ****ing chance.


I don't blame Ray one bit. And anyone saying he's thin skinned for that is being ridiculous.

[Dre]

It went past shopping I mean if the trade went through he would've finished last season as a Grizzly wouldn't he

So no, I don't blame him at all

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Dre

It went past shopping I mean if the trade went through he would've finished last season as a Grizzly wouldn't he

So no, I don't blame him at all

Exactly.

[King Sancho Fantastic]

Like I said it was his right to leave. I don't blame him for that. It just irks me that he decided to sign with Miami of all teams. If Kobe had gone out and signed with Phoenix after they booted us out of the playoffs two years in a row I'd be irked with him too. Not for leaving but for signing with the team that booted us out. Same way I was annoyed with Fisher signing with OKC, although that didnt bug me too much because the battles with OKC haven't been quite as contentious as the wars we had with Phoenix. The thing is that Ray wasn't alienating the Boston Celtics organization by bolting to Miami. I'm sure ownership could care less about it. The people he was really spitting in the face of are the Boston fans and the teammates he left behind. It rubs me the wrong way because out of the Boston Big 3, i respected Ray the most. If it irks me and I'm a Laker fan, I cant imagine how much it pisses off Boston fans. Can't wait to see the first game that these two squads play in Boston. That place is going to be insane.

[Dre]

Well that part I can see