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Old 10-19-2012, 09:08 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: David Stern cracking down on pregame routines

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Maybe 1% of the league makes their franchises hundreds of millions of dollars. If Norris Cole died tomorrow the NBA probably would gross the same amount of money this year as he would of with him. Should they have a set of rules for Norris Cole and a different set for Lebron James?
I'm saying the rule shouldn't have went anywhere anyway. Keep it for LeBron and them because that's the only people who it's affecting. No one cares about what Norris Cole does before a game starts...sitting down isn't all that exciting.
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Re: David Stern cracking down on pregame routines

I think that if they are so concerned with the pace of the game, then they should focus on the stupid amount of timeouts that teams get. And why the last 90 seconds of game time turns into a 15 minute free throw shooting contest. There are other things they can focus on to speed up the speed of the event.

I don't have problem with implementing something that gets players from their huddle to tip off sooner. Its a competition. Players dont need to be dapping w/ the other team before the game. Save it for after a hard fought contest.
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I think that if they are so concerned with the pace of the game, then they should focus on the stupid amount of timeouts that teams get. And why the last 90 seconds of game time turns into a 15 minute free throw shooting contest. There are other things they can focus on to speed up the speed of the event.

I don't have problem with implementing something that gets players from their huddle to tip off sooner. Its a competition. Players dont need to be dapping w/ the other team before the game. Save it for after a hard fought contest.
Timeouts generate revenue. I do agree about the excess amount of free throws though. Bring back the 3 to make 2?
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I know that if a game is slated for 19:30, I don't need to tune in until 19.40 and I won't have missed any basketball action.

If this removes just 1 second, so be it, the point is, Stern has recognised it's a farce that slated games continually tip-off from anywhere between 5 and 15 minutes late.

That might not seem like a lot to some people, but when I regularly sit around until 01:00 (or as late as 03:00) to catch a game live, it really ****ing annoys me.

Why are you being so finicky about this? Does it make any difference to you that Stern has imposed this rule? Your boy LeBron has said he will still do the chalk toss, so what's the problem? (although why missing a chalk toss would get you so upset when you're a basketball fan I do not know)
As I stated earlier in the thread, LeBron stopped doing the chalk toss anyway, and I could give a shit about that or any pre-game routine. I'm being "finicky" because your argument is completely off and I want you to recognize it. If you think this is about me clamoring for LeBron to toss his chalk, you're completely lost.

Let's try this again, how much extra time do you think is added to a game by pre-game routines? Don't talk about games starting 10 minutes after the start time, because that has nothing to do with pre-game routines. Can you answer my question?

I don't necessarily have a problem with the rule, 90 secs is plenty of time to do your thing, I have a problem with people acting like players spend 10-15 minutes preening between intros and tip-off and that's why they have to wait 15 minutes after the start time to see basketball.

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No my point was because stern is the boss he gets to make the rules and players follow them, whether jace or lebron think they're dumb.

If your boss limited water cooler breaks to 90 seconds you might complain, but I promise youll follow through.
Are you serious? I'm not saying Stern can't make rules, you just implied that since he has the job you can't question why the rule was made, and that's absurd.
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Are you serious? I'm not saying Stern can't make rules, you just implied that since he has the job you can't question why the rule was made, and that's absurd.
Would you question the CEO of your company?
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Re: David Stern cracking down on pregame routines

Depends what you mean by that. Would I openly defy them? No. If they enacted a rule I did not find to be particularly necessary, I might have a conversation or two with co-workers about its intent. What's wrong with that? Are you seriously advocating blindly following authority without at least wondering the reason behind rules that don't seem to make complete sense? Is there seriously something wrong with debating the purpose and efficacy of a rule?
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Re: David Stern cracking down on pregame routines

The answer to your question is different for every team, and every occasion. But we can all agree that it adds some time to the wait before tip off? Yes.

Is there a problem with getting rid of it? No.

Is this argument over? Yes.
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A recent scan of the "D12" levels in the brain of current NBA players are off the charts when compared to the 90's survey. Experts say that most NBA players now are stuck in the "LeBron stage" of professional development mostly due to constant pampering since age 17. NBA Commissioner David Stern has put several rules in place such as the NBA Dress Code, no headphones during warmups, and the recent anti bullshit before games rule, all of which are supposed to stimulate the Duncan and make way for growth into the more competitive Jordan stage of professional development.

Some people think the commissioner has gone too far and that these rules may stifle the creative energy of the NBA player and actually increase the "D12" levels higher which can reverse development, perhaps even to the Rodman stage. Symptoms of this would be increased twitterbitching and lack of championships in these at risk players
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I'd watch a league full of Dennis Rodmans.
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Re: David Stern cracking down on pregame routines

If this stops Wade doing his lap of the court at every home game before tip-off then so be it.
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If this stops Wade doing his lap of the court at every home game before tip-off then so be it.
Shhh, you're going to rile Jace up again.
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Depends what you mean by that. Would I openly defy them? No. If they enacted a rule I did not find to be particularly necessary, I might have a conversation or two with co-workers about its intent. What's wrong with that? Are you seriously advocating blindly following authority without at least wondering the reason behind rules that don't seem to make complete sense? Is there seriously something wrong with debating the purpose and efficacy of a rule?
Nope, but if he made a rule that you were only allowed to wear brown belts going forward regardless of outfit (assuming you dont wear a uniform to work already) you wouldn't openly defy him and would stock up on brown belts.

Look, we certainly have a right to debate it, but thats different than feeling NBA players have a right to say "FOH! I have a jump shot!" over such a petty issue.
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Jesus Jamel, I assume your reading comprehension is better than you're displaying right now, but I could be wrong. All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with discussing the intent and efficacy behind a rule, not advocating actually arguing with the authority against the implementation of, or attempting to forgo, it.

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The answer to your question is different for every team, and every occasion. But we can all agree that it adds some time to the wait before tip off? Yes.

Is there a problem with getting rid of it? No.

Is this argument over? Yes.


Thanks for trying though.

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Shhh, you're going to rile Jace up again.
You keep turning this into me being a Heat fan and wanting my guys dancing before the tip. I couldn't give a shit if they go straight from intros to center court. Can you see the straw man argument you've built here? Focus.

You acting like its the reason you have to wait 15 minutes after the scheduled start time just struck me as completely inane, and clearly you've come to grips with it. That is all. You keep avoiding that point and attempting to make this about my fandom because I happen to root for a team known for such antics. Its irrelevant.

Again, I have no issue with the rule, I just don't see how it helps much at all.
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Re: David Stern cracking down on pregame routines

It's a step in the right direction. That has been my point throughout.

You're reaching and I'm not even sure why.
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