Top 5 PFs in the NBA coming into the 2012-2013 season

[RollWithEm]

Originally Posted by Porn Player

Monroe plays the majority of his time at C. If you're going to be fickle, be conscientious and fickle at least.

He will play the majority of his minutes at PF this season (the season we're talking about) because I believe Drummond will start.

[E.H. Munro]

I don't think Monroe's quick enough to be the primary help defender. I guess we'll see though. Haven't watched any Detroit games yet.

[MemphisX]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

WOW...that's a good one. I mean, Aldridge was bad enough but Griffin better then Love...wow. Just no. Not only does Love flat out destroy Griffin statistically, but in nearly ever game that they've played against each other, Love has completely outplayed Griffin in every way possible. I'm sure Griffin still has a very good memory of that game winning 3 pointer that Love buried against the Clippers at the buzzer when they played each other last year.

The thing is with Love is that the only argument people have for him are statistics. Now according to those statistics, he is a top 5 player. However, nobody can seriously say he is a top 5 player, so EVERYONE discounts the one thing that makes him a good player but nobody talks about that fact. Also, I have seen Zach Randolph use Kevin Love like a rag doll. So if one on one comparisons are your thing, Kevin Love ain't your man.

[Bogg]

Love was underrated for a while and Blake was overrated during his rookie season. Now Love's put up some nice numbers on teams that were bad to marginal the last few years and he's the best power forward in the league. If the Wolves disappoint this year he'll be written off as a hollow stats guy, and then in two to three years he'll get traded to the Lakers and be a legitimate MVP candidate.

[King Sancho Fantastic]

Nonsense!! Dwight, Rubio and Love will all take purple and gold MVP votes away from each other in LA...

[Luke]

Love needs to show me numbers on a team that isn't awful before I call him the best anything. Do people not remember how bad the Wolves were after their rookie point guard went down for the season? You could attribute just as much credit to Rubio as Love for their start last year.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Luke

Love needs to show me numbers on a team that isn't awful before I call him the best anything. Do people not remember how bad the Wolves were after their rookie point guard went down for the season? You could attribute just as much credit to Rubio as Love for their start last year.

All that's basically saying is that Kevin Love needed another quality player to make the team competitive. That could be said about any NBA star.

[Luke]

Going from fighting for a playoff spot to one of the worst teams in the league because a rookie point guard got injured is not an excuse for a guy who is apparently considered to be the best player at his position.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Luke

Going from fighting for a playoff spot to one of the worst teams in the league because a rookie point guard got injured is not an excuse for a guy who is apparently considered to be the best player at his position.

They quit playing after Rubio was injured. No point fighting for 9th place when you can secure a quality draft pick instead.


You underrate the shit out of Love.

[Luke]

There's no point in trying to win basketball games as a professional basketball player who has never come close to approaching a .500 season? Yeah that's not an excuse.

And under rate Love? That's news to me. I put him third on my list after a once in a generation offensive talent that isn't a liabilty on defense and another guy who can actually play both sides of the floor and has led his team to the playoffs. That seems perfectly fair for a guy who has won like 25% of the games he's played as a pro.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Luke

There's no point in trying to win basketball games as a professional basketball player who has never come close to approaching a .500 season? Yeah that's not an excuse.

And under rate Love? That's news to me. I put him third on my list after a once in a generation offensive talent that isn't a liabilty on defense and another guy who can actually play both sides of the floor and has led his team to the playoffs. That seems perfectly fair for a guy who has won like 25% of the games he's played as a pro.

Oh, so we're back to saying Aldridge is a great defensive player because someone else said it?


He isn't. So no, sorry, terrible argument.


Oh, speaking of LMA, the Blazers sucked for how many years of his career? Nope. Doesn't matter right?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by R-Star

Oh, so we're back to saying Aldridge is a great defensive player because someone else said it?


He isn't. So no, sorry, terrible argument.


Oh, speaking of LMA, the Blazers sucked for how many years of his career? Nope. Doesn't matter right?

LaMarcus Aldridge is an above average defensive player. Not great. It's just that Love is so awful defensively and defense is such an important facet of the game for big men that I can't justify putting him higher than third.

And LMA has been to the playoffs multiple times in his career and was the best player on a Trailblazers team that gave the eventual champion Dallas Mavericks their hardest series in the post season. I'll take that over lotto Love, but I actually care about winning more than a boxscore.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Luke

LaMarcus Aldridge is an above average defensive player. Not great. It's just that Love is so awful defensively and defense is such an important facet of the game for big men that I can't justify putting him higher than third.

And LMA has been to the playoffs multiple times in his career and was the best player on a Trailblazers team that gave the eventual champion Dallas Mavericks their hardest series in the post season. I'll take that over lotto Love, but I actually care about winning more than a boxscore.

So he did a good job leading them in last years playoffs then?


And calm down with the box score schtick little guy. You're by no means some sort of basketball guru on this website.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by R-Star

So he did a good job leading them in last years playoffs then?


And calm down with the box score schtick little guy. You're by no means some sort of basketball guru on this website.

Nope. The Blazers have self destructed due to injuries and are in a rebuilding phase. He did make the playoffs the three seasons prior to that, though.

And the "box score schtick" has been a staple of my posting since 2008 when I joined this place. I very rarely use numbers to prove my point because I actually watch the games. I don't need a PER over 30 to know how great LeBron James is, but I can recognize that Kevin Love isn't as good as Larry Bird despite statistics telling me otherwise.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Luke

Nope. The Blazers have self destructed due to injuries and are in a rebuilding phase. He did make the playoffs the three seasons prior to that, though.

And the "box score schtick" has been a staple of my posting since 2008 when I joined this place. I very rarely use numbers to prove my point because I actually watch the games. I don't need a PER over 30 to know how great LeBron James is, but I can recognize that Kevin Love isn't as good as Larry Bird despite statistics telling me otherwise.

Maybe the rest of us should start watching some games so we can be as all worldly as you when it comes to basketball.


That's sarcasm. This is a basketball website, I'm sure I'm not the only one who caught 20+ games that didn't involve my team last season. Not to mention I was blasting people who use PER before you even joined the site. Look it up if you'd like.

Saying Kevin Love isn't as good as Larry Bird and saying he's worse than LMA are two completely different things.



Also, I don't feel I should have to explain this but.... You saying Portland didn't make it last year due to injuries after ripping Love and the Wolves for falling apart after their PG and second best player went down for the year is laughable. Not to mention its clear the Wolves have been rebuilding around their core of Love and Rubio, proven by the fact of how many fresh faces the team has this year. Something you used as an excuse of LMA and the Blazers, but slammed Love and the Wolves for.


Clearly, you're biased.