Top 5 PFs in the NBA coming into the 2012-2013 season

[MemphisX]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

I don't think Luke has any biased views towards Love, I just he's putting way to much emphasis on the fact that Love hasn't been able to lead the Timberwolves to the playoffs yet, which I think is stupid because even with Rubio the Timberwolves talent wise are still a joke of a team. This year will be interesting due to some of the new talent they have gotten.

Lead them to the playoffs? The T'Wolves have been a bottom 5 team his entire time there. I think people find and make excuses for Love. He is god awful defensively and puts up stats on terrible teams. Also, it ain't like he is a total ray of sunshine in sportmanship either but yet and still people keep uplifting him.

I think it is a bit hypocritical that some of the same people that cheerlead Love are some of the same people that led the LeBron smashing campaign on this board because LeBron was not winning enough.

Really should not be any excuse for them not to be in the playoffs this season. Compare the pass Kevin Love gets with the criticism Chris Bosh got when he was putting up 24/10.

How many streaks of straight shit have the TWolves gone through with Love still being championed?

I like when people say the TWolves quit...nah, Kevin Love quit.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by E.H. Munro

Yes, but the part of it that he was there they were 0-7.

Once they were already out of the playoff picture, yea.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Lead them to the playoffs? The T'Wolves have been a bottom 5 team his entire time there. I think people find and make excuses for Love. He is god awful defensively and puts up stats on terrible teams. Also, it ain't like he is a total ray of sunshine in sportmanship either but yet and still people keep uplifting him.

I think it is a bit hypocritical that some of the same people that cheerlead Love are some of the same people that led the LeBron smashing campaign on this board because LeBron was not winning enough.

Really should not be any excuse for them not to be in the playoffs this season. Compare the pass Kevin Love gets with the criticism Chris Bosh got when he was putting up 24/10.

How many streaks of straight shit have the TWolves gone through with Love still being championed?

I like when people say the TWolves quit...nah, Kevin Love quit.

What? So when they lost all those games to end the season, its on Love and not the team?


****ing come on.

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Lead them to the playoffs? The T'Wolves have been a bottom 5 team his entire time there.

And again, why do you think that is? Because he has a terrible team surrounding him. Imagine how much worse the Timberwolves would've been if Love wasn't on their team.

Originally Posted by MemphisX

I think people find and make excuses for Love.

Love being surrounded by a shitty team is a clear and obvious fact, one that people are over looking horribly here.

Originally Posted by MemphisX

He is god awful defensively and puts up stats on terrible teams.

As pointed out before, defense involves defensive rebounding, something Love is very good at, and even taking away that part, he's not as bad as you're making him out to be. And he hasn't just been putting up stats on good teams. He's been outplaying other PF's through out the league on most of the occasions that he faced them. He scored 50+ points against the Thunder, the team that ended up going to the NBA Finals that year. You want to tell me Love only did that because he was on a shitty team? Bullshit. How about the double double record that Love broke? That isn't something you do just because you're on a shitty team, you do it because you're great at what you do.

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Also, it ain't like he is a total ray of sunshine in sportmanship either but yet and still people keep uplifting him.

Don't know how Love's sportsmanship has anything to do with it, it was never mentioned at all until you somehow decided it was a good idea to bring it up. I don't know that much about Kevin Love as a person, but from what I've heard he can be arrogant and there have been moments in the NBA were he could be a total dick.

Originally Posted by MemphisX

I think it is a bit hypocritical that some of the same people that cheerlead Love are some of the same people that led the LeBron smashing campaign on this board because LeBron was not winning enough.

There's one big problem with this post. Lebron James and Kevin Love are in completely different situations. Lebron James is an extremely rare and special type of talent that we rarely see in the NBA, and was on the best team in the NBA for two straight seasons and ended up blowing it in the last one, failing to make the finals in both ocassions, and then he joined a different team with two other all stars and he puts on a disappointing finals performance and they end up losing. A lot of people failed to give enough credit to the fact that the people Lebron faced are more so the reason as to why he lost, but regardless he had the help and didn't show up when he needed to.

Kevin Love on the other hand is just a big guy who has great offensive ability and is an incredible rebounder, and has arguably the worst supporting cast out of any of the all stars from last year in the NBA. The second best player on his team was a ****ing rookie point guard. Kevin Love has not been in the situations that Lebron James has been in, he still has yet to get to the playoffs, and even then we've seen Love deliver big time for the Timberwolves when they needed him on numerous occasions.

So please, don't compare Kevin Love to Lebron, that's a idiotic comparison and you should know that.

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Really should not be any excuse for them not to be in the playoffs this season. Compare the pass Kevin Love gets with the criticism Chris Bosh got when he was putting up 24/10.

You mean apart from the fact that Love is going to be out to start the season for 6-8 weeks, and that injuries can occur at any time? What if Brandon Roy's knee's end up giving up on him again? What if AK47 gets injured or if Rubio gets injured again?

If however no injuries occur and the Timberwolves are perfectly healthy, then yes, they definitely should be able to make the playoffs this season.

Originally Posted by MemphisX

How many streaks of straight shit have the TWolves gone through with Love still being championed?

Again, not Love's fault. Stop putting things on Love that clearly aren't his doing. He's doing all he can and you can see that clearly. But you need a team that can help you. This is a well known fact. Love does not have a good team to help him, hell he doesn't even have a decent team.

Love is getting attention because right now he's playing at an incredible rate compared to other PF's in the league, it isn't even close. The fact that people are actually using the fact that he hasn't been in the playoffs yet as an excuse to not acknowledge that he is without a doubt the best PF in the NBA atm is not only incredibly stupid but it's also very sad, because we are once again putting people down for something that isn't their fault and apparently it was dumb of me to think that we had gone past that era.

Originally Posted by MemphisX

I like when people say the TWolves quit...nah, Kevin Love quit.

So it's Love's fault that they lost all those games, despite the fact that Love had the best performance on his team in all of those games? Great way to end your statement there.

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The TWolves have a pretty solid team this year. I guess the upcoming season will be make or break for either argument.

[MemphisX]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

And again, why do you think that is? Because he has a terrible team surrounding him. Imagine how much worse the Timberwolves would've been if Love wasn't on their team.



Love being surrounded by a shitty team is a clear and obvious fact, one that people are over looking horribly here.



As pointed out before, defense involves defensive rebounding, something Love is very good at, and even taking away that part, he's not as bad as you're making him out to be. And he hasn't just been putting up stats on good teams. He's been outplaying other PF's through out the league on most of the occasions that he faced them. He scored 50+ points against the Thunder, the team that ended up going to the NBA Finals that year. You want to tell me Love only did that because he was on a shitty team? Bullshit. How about the double double record that Love broke? That isn't something you do just because you're on a shitty team, you do it because you're great at what you do.



Don't know how Love's sportsmanship has anything to do with it, it was never mentioned at all until you somehow decided it was a good idea to bring it up. I don't know that much about Kevin Love as a person, but from what I've heard he can be arrogant and there have been moments in the NBA were he could be a total dick.



There's one big problem with this post. Lebron James and Kevin Love are in completely different situations. Lebron James is an extremely rare and special type of talent that we rarely see in the NBA, and was on the best team in the NBA for two straight seasons and ended up blowing it in the last one, failing to make the finals in both ocassions, and then he joined a different team with two other all stars and he puts on a disappointing finals performance and they end up losing. A lot of people failed to give enough credit to the fact that the people Lebron faced are more so the reason as to why he lost, but regardless he had the help and didn't show up when he needed to.

Kevin Love on the other hand is just a big guy who has great offensive ability and is an incredible rebounder, and has arguably the worst supporting cast out of any of the all stars from last year in the NBA. The second best player on his team was a ****ing rookie point guard. Kevin Love has not been in the situations that Lebron James has been in, he still has yet to get to the playoffs, and even then we've seen Love deliver big time for the Timberwolves when they needed him on numerous occasions.

So please, don't compare Kevin Love to Lebron, that's a idiotic comparison and you should know that.



You mean apart from the fact that Love is going to be out to start the season for 6-8 weeks, and that injuries can occur at any time? What if Brandon Roy's knee's end up giving up on him again? What if AK47 gets injured or if Rubio gets injured again?

If however no injuries occur and the Timberwolves are perfectly healthy, then yes, they definitely should be able to make the playoffs this season.



Again, not Love's fault. Stop putting things on Love that clearly aren't his doing. He's doing all he can and you can see that clearly. But you need a team that can help you. This is a well known fact. Love does not have a good team to help him, hell he doesn't even have a decent team.

Love is getting attention because right now he's playing at an incredible rate compared to other PF's in the league, it isn't even close. The fact that people are actually using the fact that he hasn't been in the playoffs yet as an excuse to not acknowledge that he is without a doubt the best PF in the NBA atm is not only incredibly stupid but it's also very sad, because we are once again putting people down for something that isn't their fault and apparently it was dumb of me to think that we had gone past that era.



So it's Love's fault that they lost all those games, despite the fact that Love had the best performance on his team in all of those games? Great way to end your statement there.

Just another long list of excuses. I don't remember a single freaking soul on this entire freaking message board saying Zbo was a good defender because he was a good defensive rebounder. This shit just gets hilarious after awhile.

Kevin Love has not played one significant NBA game his entire career. He hasn't even been on a team relevant enough to game plan against. It is totally impossible for anyone to try and compare him to the top PFs.

Compare the TWolves to some of those shitty Raptor teams Bosh played on though. Bosh still had them always around .500 with zero help. However, you probably think Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Just another long list of excuses. I don't remember a single freaking soul on this entire freaking message board saying Zbo was a good defender because he was a good defensive rebounder. This shit just gets hilarious after awhile.

Kevin Love has not played one significant NBA game his entire career. He hasn't even been on a team relevant enough to game plan against. It is totally impossible for anyone to try and compare him to the top PFs.

Compare the TWolves to some of those shitty Raptor teams Bosh played on though. Bosh still had them always around .500 with zero help. However, you probably think Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh.

And if you put ZBo on the Wolves in place of Love they're doing something?


Answer the question without trying to squirm out of it please.

[hobojoe]

Originally Posted by E.H. Munro

Yes, but the part of it that he was there they were 0-7.

The Lakers lost 19 of 21 in 04-05 with a 26 year old Kobe Bryant playing all but two of those games.

For the record I'm with you and MemphisX for the most part, I want to see Love impact a meaningful game and put up numbers on a good team before I call him the best anything in the league. I just don't put much weight into a small sample size at the end of the season for a team not playing for anything, good or bad. Losing those 7 games doesn't make him a loser to me.

[MemphisX]

Originally Posted by R-Star

And if you put ZBo on the Wolves in place of Love they're doing something?


Answer the question without trying to squirm out of it please.

If you put ZBo on the Wolves and they suck, nobody is cheerleading Zbo as a top 10 player in the league. Point blank. Period.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

If you put ZBo on the Wolves and they suck, nobody is cheerleading Zbo as a top 10 player in the league. Point blank. Period.

That's because ZBo isn't as good of a player as Love.

Kind of the point.

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Just another long list of excuses. I don't remember a single freaking soul on this entire freaking message board saying Zbo was a good defender because he was a good defensive rebounder. This shit just gets hilarious after awhile.

I never claimed Love was a good defender. I was saying that he isn't as bad as you're making him out to be.

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Kevin Love has not played one significant NBA game his entire career. He hasn't even been on a team relevant enough to game plan against. It is totally impossible for anyone to try and compare him to the top PFs.

Really? Scoring 50 points against one of the best teams in the NBA isn't significant to you? Or having a 31/31 game? Are you high??

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Compare the TWolves to some of those shitty Raptor teams Bosh played on though. Bosh still had them always around .500 with zero help. However, you probably think Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh.

First off the Raptors definitely had a better team than the Timberwolves. Look at the way they played two years ago when Bosh wasn't on the team but Love was and you'll see it for yourself. Second, when it comes to production and stats, Bosh wont be better than Love, but when he's by himself and the one leading the team, Bosh is one of the best PF's in the NBA. But even during his time with Toronto, he was no were close to being as good as Love was during the past two seasons that Love has had.

[MemphisX]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

I never claimed Love was a good defender. I was saying that he isn't as bad as you're making him out to be.



Really? Scoring 50 points against one of the best teams in the NBA isn't significant to you? Or having a 31/31 game? Are you high??



First off the Raptors definitely had a better team than the Timberwolves. Look at the way they played two years ago when Bosh wasn't on the team but Love was and you'll see it for yourself. Second, when it comes to production and stats, Bosh wont be better than Love, but when he's by himself and the one leading the team, Bosh is one of the best PF's in the NBA. But even during his time with Toronto, he was no were close to being as good as Love was during the past two seasons that Love has had.

Love has not played a significant NBA game. If you don't understand what that means, I can't help you. Saying that Kevin Love is better than PFs that have not only LED teams into the playoffs but carried them to playoff victories while he was winning 25-30 games is just insanity. I don't care how you try and pump it up.

[MemphisX]

Originally Posted by R-Star

That's because ZBo isn't as good of a player as Love.

Kind of the point.

Zbo is better than Kevin Love and it really isn't close.

[E.H. Munro]

Originally Posted by hobojoe

The Lakers lost 19 of 21 in 04-05 with a 26 year old Kobe Bryant playing all but two of those games.

For the record I'm with you and MemphisX for the most part, I want to see Love impact a meaningful game and put up numbers on a good team before I call him the best anything in the league. I just don't put much weight into a small sample size at the end of the season for a team not playing for anything, good or bad. Losing those 7 games doesn't make him a loser to me.

I''m not really putting any weight on it. At the end of the day was Al Jefferson a top 5 guy because he was 20/10ing up a storm on a 20 win team? Would anyone have been able to keep a straight face while typing the words "70% of defense is securing the rebound so don't tell me that he's bad defender"?

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

Zbo is better than Kevin Love and it really isn't close.

Wait what? You can't be serious.