Top 5 PFs in the NBA coming into the 2012-2013 season

[Da Grinch]

Originally Posted by e-monk

it's hard for bigs to win regardless, they're too dependent on perimeter players getting them the ball

everyone but the pg is dependent of getting the ball.

the game inherently gives advantages to the biggest most athletic and the strongest....4's are big but centers are usually bigger so they are kind of caught in between

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by Da Grinch

everyone but the pg is dependent of getting the ball.

the game inherently gives advantages to the biggest most athletic and the strongest....4's are big but centers are usually bigger so they are kind of caught in between

I'm sure Lebron would love to disagree with you on that.

[Luke]

Zach Randolph played at a level in the 2011 postseason that Love has never touched. I'm not saying he's better, but there's certainly an argument.

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

I'm sure Lebron would love to disagree with you on that.

as would Kobe (and tons of other 2s an 3s who dominate the ball), perimeter players get the ball all over the floor relatively early in the clock - bigs have to establish position in a specific location, hold that position and wait (but not for longer than 3 seconds after which they have to give up the position and re-establish it)

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

I'm sure Lebron would love to disagree with you on that.

There's always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part the PG is the primary facilitator.


Teams like Miami and LA (prior to Nash) don't have the need for pass first PG's to set the plays for them.

[e-monk]

it's not just the pg role, it's the flexibility of where and how early you can deliver the ball - handing the ball to dwight howard 18' out is not useful unless you're just trying to get it right back from him so you can refresh your dribble

[Da Grinch]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

I'm sure Lebron would love to disagree with you on that.

lebron plays the point quite alot....but even if he didn't he often just brings the ball up when he just intends to shoot...as does kobe to a lesser degree.

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by Da Grinch

lebron plays the point quite alot....but even if he didn't he often just brings the ball up when he just intends to shoot...as does kobe to a lesser degree.

imagine dwight howard or andrew bynum bringing the ball up the court on a regular basis

[Da Grinch]

Originally Posted by e-monk

imagine dwight howard or andrew bynum bringing the ball up the court on a regular basis

good big men really dont have trouble getting decent position, or getting the ball for that matter , the issue is more with the 5 second back down rule so they want the ball as close to their comfort areas as possible because they dont have the luxury of backing down very far for position.

you can only fight so hard or for so long before the ref calls a foul on the defender, especially now with the anti-flopping rule in effect.

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by Luke

Zach Randolph played at a level in the 2011 postseason that Love has never touched. I'm not saying he's better, but there's certainly an argument.

One could definitely argue that the 50 point game Love had against the Thunder was just as impressive, if not more.

[Bogg]

One fifty-point game isn't really comparable to an extended performance in the postseason. However, Randolph's performance that spring also gets overrated, so there's that.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

One could definitely argue that the 50 point game Love had against the Thunder was just as impressive, if not more.

The whole point of a regular season is to get to the playoffs, that's what really matters. One hot shooting night from Love in no way compares to a dominant streak in the postseason.

[Porn Player]

Originally Posted by Luke

The whole point of a regular season is to get to the playoffs, that's what really matters. One hot shooting night from Love in no way compares to a dominant streak in the postseason.

So when Love makes the Playoffs (and he will), you don't expect him to have as dominant type numbers?

And when he does take his (sometime extraordinary) stats into the postseason, where do you place him?

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by Luke

The whole point of a regular season is to get to the playoffs, that's what really matters. One hot shooting night from Love in no way compares to a dominant streak in the postseason.

I'm sorry weren't we just talking about one game? When you compare one game to an entire streak of games, of course there's no comparison. I'm talking about Randolphs best game in the playoffs that year and comparing it when Love's performance against the team that went on to play on the Finals.

[MemphisX]

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