James Harden TRADED to Rockets

[Dre]

Originally Posted by E.H. Munro

Dude, you just posted a quote with a statement from Ainge stating that Perkins was out with a knee injury as proof that Perkins wasn't injured. We ****ing went through this during the 2011 playoffs, when you started denying this reality. Perkins was out with a knee injury at the time of the trade (and to his "good" knee at that), and that was part of why they did it. They desperately needed help at the 3/4/5. Their first request was for Harden to go with Krstic, they settled for Green and a Clippers #1 instead. Do Celtics fans wish they'd got Harden? Yes. But Presti refused to deal him. What should they have done? Punt the season and go immediately into rebuilding mode?

No, my point in posting that was as proof that Ainge and the Celtics were expecting him back that season and you know that.

Just give it the **** up for once dude, you misremembered or something. It happens.

[E.H. Munro]

Dude, SHAQ himself stated that he told the Celtics that he probably wasn't coming back. Why the **** do you think they traded for Nenad Krstic? He wasn't necessary to make the numbers work (Boston had to throw in Nate Robinson to make the Krstic part of the deal work). He was just necessary because they were starting Glen Davis. Did they hope Shaq could get back? I'm sure they did. Were they hoping that Jermaine could give them something? I'm sure they did. But in February of 2011 everyone was out injured. And they had no backup for Pierce or Allen. So, again, what were they supposed to do? Punt the season and go into rebuilding mode?

[Dre]

you right

[LA68]

Its a new season and people argue about Nenad Krstic ?

Its 2012, there is plenty to argue about "this" season with "players that matter" .

[Dre]

Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

BTW You missed the part earlier in this thread when I adressed your statements in June that Harden was poised to get "near max" level money before he bombed in the finals, and I said GM's weren't as fickle as fans, in which case you told me I was wrong and doubted I would be bumping the thread.

Archivist out.

Boy you happy as shit. I already figured somewhere in this thread you had mentioned that. Difference between me and you is I don't really care. I know I wouldn't have given him 16M a year before a game was played regardless.

FWIW though Houston isn't being "not fickle" here they're being desperate. They been looking for a star since Yao retired and finally hopped on someone who will probably be a star but could honestly just as easily be an Allan Houston level player.

[Jamel Irief]

Originally Posted by Dre

Boy you happy as shit. I already figured somewhere in this thread you had mentioned that. Difference between me and you is I don't really care. I know I wouldn't have given him 16M a year before a game was played regardless.

FWIW though Houston isn't being "not fickle" here they're being desperate. They been looking for a star since Yao retired and finally hopped on someone who will probably be a star but could honestly just as easily be an Allan Houston level player.

Irrelevant. It was obvious to me teams would offer harden money back then because there are at least ten teams desperate for a star. And the thunder offered harden "near max" money before Houston did. You were wrong.

Fwiw you do care too.

[Dre]

You're right father, I do care so very much

[ChrisWoj]

Originally Posted by Dre

Boy you happy as shit. I already figured somewhere in this thread you had mentioned that. Difference between me and you is I don't really care. I know I wouldn't have given him 16M a year before a game was played regardless.

FWIW though Houston isn't being "not fickle" here they're being desperate. They been looking for a star since Yao retired and finally hopped on someone who will probably be a star but could honestly just as easily be an Allan Houston level player.

You know who else could be an Allen Houston? Lebron James. Kevin Durant. Derrick Rose (who actually might...). And so on. Houston's contract was a bust because he got hurt. Mind you - no he would never have been a James/Durant/Rose - but had he not been hurt, his contract would have been about the right value.

I'm still pissed at his douchebag agent.

[Dre]

It seems like you're just trying to get over on that specific Allan Houston reference when you know what I'm trying to say and most likely agree.

Allan Houston was never going to be a top tier player, but was paid close to it by NY because he was on that thin line between first and second tier at one point.

[ChrisWoj]

Originally Posted by Dre

It seems like you're just trying to get over on that specific Allan Houston reference when you know what I'm trying to say and most likely agree.

Allan Houston was never going to be a top tier player, but was paid close to it by NY because he was on that thin line between first and second tier at one point.

I'm trying to get over the point that it was a poor reference. I get what you're trying to say - but I think that Allan Houston was a bad example to choose because injuries are what derailed a promising scorer.

[R-Star]

**** James Harden.

[Dre]

Originally Posted by ChrisWoj

I'm trying to get over the point that it was a poor reference. I get what you're trying to say - but I think that Allan Houston was a bad example to choose because injuries are what derailed a promising scorer.

To be honest I was like 12 when all that shit was going on and I don't even remember that. I was just talking about a fairly one dimensional wing who had good numbers but didn't stack up.

[MemphisX]

All Praise The Beard!!!?

[Dre]

I don't want to come off like a James Harden hater based on the past couple months either because I was a huge fan of his game all the way back to Arizona State moreso than a lot of people, no lie. I just get extremely disappointed at a guy when he doesn't show up come Spring....I talked the same shit about LeBron last year and he proved me wrong.

That said through a couple games Harden's showing his ass, let's see how that stretches out over a whole season.

[MemphisX]

To be fair though, Harden was pretty good until they met Miami. At 23, I'll give him a pass and it will likely be at least 2-3 seasons before he is even close to that stage again. Not really a Harden fan but I am looking forward to watching him. So few prime SGs in the league right now. Just wish he had went out East.