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Old 11-08-2012, 01:47 PM   #361 (permalink)
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I dont think harden and lin will work together because both wants to dominate with the ball and since this is harden's team, its hurting lin because when lin first sign with the rockets, he thought this is his team but then the trade happen and harden is now the number 1 option. Lin is known to turn the ball over many times. And harden is a selfish player. Harden is a good passer but he barely pass. Last year ive seen many times when players like durant was open and harden still want to drive in on 3 defenders thinking he's a prime kobe or lebron.
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Why would you take 48 million when you can make 80 million elsewhere? That's not being selfish, that's just not being an idiot. This is a business and these are real people. And Harden was traded, it's not like he demanded a way out.

What about his 45 point game right after? He wasn't scouted properly as a number one option and he's benefiting from it.

And I'm the absolute last person on this board that you need to argue about Jeremy Lin, go look at the threads. But he was still dominant for like a week before people figured out how to limit him, that can't be denied. I'm a Lakers' fan, I know.
He got 45 because they played a terrible team and he absolutely dominated the ball the whole game. It would have been like if the Pistons had played those mid 00's Laker teams, Kobe would have gone off for 50+.
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I dont think harden and lin will work together because both wants to dominate with the ball and since this is harden's team, its hurting lin because when lin first sign with the rockets, he thought this is his team but then the trade happen and harden is now the number 1 option. Lin is known to turn the ball over many times. And harden is a selfish player. Harden is a good passer but he barely pass. Last year ive seen many times when players like durant was open and harden still want to drive in on 3 defenders thinking he's a prime kobe or lebron.
Yep. That's my opinion as well.
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I think Harden is a top 5 SG and a fringe all-star in the league today, but I would still prefer Allen Iverson at the same age... and that should say something.
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Why would you take 48 million when you can make 80 million elsewhere? That's not being selfish, that's just not being an idiot. This is a business and these are real people. And Harden was traded, it's not like he demanded a way out.

What about his 45 point game right after? He wasn't scouted properly as a number one option and he's benefiting from it.

And I'm the absolute last person on this board that you need to argue about Jeremy Lin, go look at the threads. But he was still dominant for like a week before people figured out how to limit him, that can't be denied. I'm a Lakers' fan, I know.
You make it sound like 48 million is shit money. That's a lot of money dude. And how would sticking with OKC make him a idiot? Yes because he was in such a bad financial situation before that he needed the extra money really badly right? Give me a break.
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I think Harden is a top 5 SG and a fringe all-star in the league today, but I would still prefer Allen Iverson at the same age... and that should say something.
Iverson was able to cross Michael Jordan in his rookie year...quite frankly I'd take him over Harden too.
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Iverson was able to cross Michael Jordan in his rookie year...quite frankly I'd take him over Harden too.
YAY!!! Ai did something in nba history and that cross a 33 year old jordan while in that same year rookie ai lead his sixers to only 22 wins.
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Rockets need a player they can put in pick and roll situations with Harden and Lin. That would put less pressure on those guys to beat a player off the dribble, and allow Harden to showcase his playmaking ability. Pick and roll power forward makes Houston a playoff team.
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Why would you take 48 million when you can make 80 million elsewhere? That's not being selfish, that's just not being an idiot.
Because you have a legitimate chance to win in a city where you are already accepted, you have solidified relationships with teammates/coaches, and, as several posters have already notes, it's not as if James Harden was in a desperate financial state prior to the trade. Staying in Oklahoma City would not have made James Harden an idiot. No fan of the game, no pundit would be arguing that "James Harden is an absolute fool (I'm imagining Stephen A. here) for sticking around with this squad.." -- that wouldn't be the case at all. The fact that he abandoned the situation he was in suggests some possibility of selfish nature. Here's a stat: Harden's taken 33 more shots this season than the next closest, Lin with 50. He's a number one option that isn't in the upper echelon of number one options, so enough talk of his "explosion" or what else. He's a gifted player, but he's not that dude.
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Rockets need a player they can put in pick and roll situations with Harden and Lin. That would put less pressure on those guys to beat a player off the dribble, and allow Harden to showcase his playmaking ability. Pick and roll power forward makes Houston a playoff team.
That person could very possibly be Royce White. I truly wonder why he doesn't get into games.
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Because you have a legitimate chance to win in a city where you are already accepted, you have solidified relationships with teammates/coaches, and, as several posters have already notes, it's not as if James Harden was in a desperate financial state prior to the trade. Staying in Oklahoma City would not have made James Harden an idiot. No fan of the game, no pundit would be arguing that "James Harden is an absolute fool (I'm imagining Stephen A. here) for sticking around with this squad.." -- that wouldn't be the case at all. The fact that he abandoned the situation he was in suggests some possibility of selfish nature. Here's a stat: Harden's taken 33 more shots this season than the next closest, Lin with 50. He's a number one option that isn't in the upper echelon of number one options, so enough talk of his "explosion" or what else. He's a gifted player, but he's not that dude.
How about this: Kevin Durant's greed dismantled his championship-level supporting cast. He has the ability to make far more in endorsements than his teammates, and as such should have taken a reduced contract so that OKC could pay the necessary teammates to help him secure his spot in history...




In reality, guys don't give discounts on their first big contract (except maybe Rondo, the bastion of camaraderie that he is), and nobody walks away from an extra 32 million. Harden left because OKC low-balled him when he had made sacrifices for the good of the team since day one, and also because he wanted to establish his own greatness.
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Ok, first off here, of course AI is better. If anyone is actually arguing that they probably just started watching basketball a few years ago.

Also, its a two way street for the "He's greedy/He'd be dumb not to leave" crowds. I'm one of the guys always touting how important loyalty is, but if I was offered a #1 spot and an extra 32 million dollar, I'd probably take it.
But on the flip side, no, Harden would not be an idiot for staying. If he felt that loyal to the club and the rest of the players, he would have stayed and took the hit, and there'd be no reason to shun him for it.

So far it looks like its working out for both sides, so everyone should be happy at this point.
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If Martin disappoints in OKC I'll be the first to admit being wrong. Problem is, if I'm right, I plan to hear either nothing or excuses come my way.
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****. Out of here. Y'all be throwing shit up against the wall....

Harden is not seeing Iverson ever.
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****. Out of here. Y'all be throwing shit up against the wall....

Harden is not seeing Iverson ever.
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How about this: Kevin Durant's greed dismantled his championship-level supporting cast. He has the ability to make far more in endorsements than his teammates, and as such should have taken a reduced contract so that OKC could pay the necessary teammates to help him secure his spot in history...

In reality, guys don't give discounts on their first big contract (except maybe Rondo, the bastion of camaraderie that he is), and nobody walks away from an extra 32 million. Harden left because OKC low-balled him when he had made sacrifices for the good of the team since day one, and also because he wanted to establish his own greatness.
This is a good take on the trade itself, and that argument could be made of KD et cetera.
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