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Old 11-09-2012, 07:09 PM   #376 (permalink)
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

I wouldn't call Durant getting all his money "greed", when you consider he signed his deal two years ago right? It's easy to say that now but he's not a financial analyst, it isn't his job to project what his cap will look like two years from now, he left it up to Presti as he should and they mismanaged it. All he was doing was taking market value like every other player, again I note two years out from this juncture...it's not like all three had negotiations at the same time.

You all want to play the "you could break your leg any day" card regarding college players coming out, but why should Durant bank on "future endorsements" and take guaranteed money off his plate when if he tears his ACL today or tomorrow those deals are off the table?

Anyway I came into this thread to note an actual good NBA defense is making Harden look like a second wheel a tad in over his head. Looks a little unsure of himself and is taking bad shots that he never used to take.
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Yeah I'm not agreeing that's the case whatsoever, I'm just noting that argument could be made of any franchise player while subtlety trying to put this thread to bed.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:37 AM   #378 (permalink)
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Nobody wants to talk about shitty old Kevin Martin?

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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

I don't blame Harden for wanted to be his own man and make more money doing it. It's interesting to me that coming into the draft, one of the knocks on Harden was that sometimes you wish he'd be more selfish because of how talented he was. He didn't mind passing to his teammates and preferred the right basketball play even if it didn't involve him scoring as a result. I think playing sidekick for a few years shook him out of that, so I'm all for it if he's 100% willing to accept the role as a number one option. It's actually a little refreshing to see him progress mentally like this, I think it's a sign of good things.
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No need to talk about it. I know how this ends. After the Harden trade and the 'Antoni hire, I am on cloud 9 as a Memphis fan.
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YAY!!! Ai did something in nba history and that cross a 33 year old jordan while in that same year rookie ai lead his sixers to only 22 wins.
And yet he still won rookie of the year. Nice epic fail.
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I don't blame Harden for wanted to be his own man and make more money doing it. It's interesting to me that coming into the draft, one of the knocks on Harden was that sometimes you wish he'd be more selfish because of how talented he was. He didn't mind passing to his teammates and preferred the right basketball play even if it didn't involve him scoring as a result. I think playing sidekick for a few years shook him out of that, so I'm all for it if he's 100% willing to accept the role as a number one option. It's actually a little refreshing to see him progress mentally like this, I think it's a sign of good things.
Harden becoming a ball hog and a chucker is a good thing?


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No need to talk about it. I know how this ends. After the Harden trade and the 'Antoni hire, I am on cloud 9 as a Memphis fan.
No need to talk about it? You called him out as a bad player, I quoted you saying I assumed you'd never open your mouth to admit you were wrong if Martin played well, and look where we are now.


Small sample size, but with all the Harden talk, the guys who played Kevin Martin out to be a nobody chump sure are quiet now.



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We view basketball completely different.
He's embracing a role as "the guy", when that's something he used to shy away from. He's a potent scorer, a really great passer/ballhandler for an off guard, and he plays solid defense. My point is that he used to be unselfish to the point where some viewed it as a knock on his game. I think his success early in Oklahoma, mixed with the fact that they were starting Thabo Sefalosha over him, not to mention they wanted to offer him less money than he was worth, have all contributed to him being willing to take a step forward as the leader of a team. If you want to view it as him being a selfish chucker that's your prerogative, but I definitely think there's more to it than that.
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R star, you view things differently than a lot of people lol
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No need to talk about it? You called him out as a bad player, I quoted you saying I assumed you'd never open your mouth to admit you were wrong if Martin played well, and look where we are now.


Small sample size, but with all the Harden talk, the guys who played Kevin Martin out to be a nobody chump sure are quiet now.



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He is a bad player. He has always put up stats. Not sure how you figured him doing what he has always done was going to change my opinion of him. I never said he would put up bad stats, just he was a bad player. For Okc, the pain comes in the playoffs.
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He is a bad player. He has always put up stats. Not sure how you figured him doing what he has always done was going to change my opinion of him. I never said he would put up bad stats, just he was a bad player. For Okc, the pain comes in the playoffs.
Wow.......


So now you're switching to, "Just wait until the playoffs! Then you'll see."



Stick to not replying ok Chauchy? Because that's ****ing pathetic.
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By the way, last 5 games for Harden 20ppg on 33% shooting with 17.2% from behind the arc. 4.2 rebounds and 3.6 assists for 4.6 turnovers per game.



Like I said, chucker like stats. The same thing people got on Kevin Martin for.
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He is a bad player. He has always put up stats. Not sure how you figured him doing what he has always done was going to change my opinion of him. I never said he would put up bad stats, just he was a bad player. For Okc, the pain comes in the playoffs.
Martin's a bad option for your franchise player, or even your sidekick. However, he's perfectly adequate if all you're asking from him is bench scoring and to carry the offense for short stretches. Harden might be better at it, but if all you need is mid-teens scoring Martin's fine.

This touches on a bigger point that gets me, which is when guys who clearly aren't "team leaders" are labeled either "winners" or "losers" based purely on who they're playing with. If Derek Fisher doesn't have the good fortune to play with Kobe and Shaq; and later Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum; he winds up just another career journeyman.
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Wow.......


So now you're switching to, "Just wait until the playoffs! Then you'll see."



Stick to not replying ok Chauchy? Because that's ****ing pathetic.
Why would I be judging a trade by a NBA finals team based on their regular season success?
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