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Old 01-22-2013, 09:29 AM   #526 (permalink)
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That's a different conversation entirely. All ill say is that a.) spacing is imperative, b.) it takes less shots to score 23 a game taking threes than 26 taking twos using those percentages and c.) people who accuse Kobe of being a chucker (not a hero ball prone egomaniac) have been and always will be stupid.


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Harden is 11th in the league among swingmen in TS% this season. KMart is 3rd. Here's the top-15 list:
  1. Ray Allen
  2. Lebron James
  3. Kevin Martin
  4. Thabo Sefolosha
  5. Roger Mason
  6. J.J. Redick
  7. Manu Ginobili
  8. Martell Webster
  9. Patrick Mills
  10. Nando De Colo
  11. James Harden
  12. OJ Mayo
  13. Kobe Bryant
  14. Dwayne Wade
  15. Randy Foye
And Ray Allen is league tops and has been playing like shit. Its why I hate TS%
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:36 AM   #528 (permalink)
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That's a different conversation entirely. All ill say is that a.) spacing is imperative, b.) it takes less shots to score 23 a game taking threes than 26 taking twos using those percentages and c.) people who accuse Kobe of being a chucker (not a hero ball prone egomaniac) have been and always will be stupid.


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As long as you have 1 or 2 decent 3 point threats on the floor which most teams do at any given time the spacing doesn't really matter. And it may take less shots to score 23 if you're taking 3's, but they're also being shot with a much worse percentage, so more often than not its much more efficient scoring 2's. Not to mention you draw much more contact driving the lane and get to the line.


But I agree, a discussion for another thread.
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It's a shooting statistic. Ray Allen is a great three point an great free throw shooter. Ts% doesn't say he's a great player, simply a great shooter. How is that not better than primitive fg%?


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It's a shooting statistic. Ray Allen is a great three point an great free throw shooter. Ts% doesn't say he's a great player, simply a great shooter. How is that not better than primitive fg%?


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Hes shooting 47% on the year. That is a very good shooter, agreed. But for a stat to say "Oh, a lot of those are 3 pointers so lets up the numbers for him a bit" is asinine in my view.
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But they're more difficult shots? Again, it doesn't say that player A is a better player or even scorer, but it shows that he's a more efficient scorer.


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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

Harder shots meaning less efficient shots. So like I said, I'd rather a slasher type who gets me 26 on 46% shooting closer to the paint, than a shooting type who gets me 26 on 43% doing it with more midrange and 3 point shooting.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

Harden had shot well until recently.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

Why are we bashing TS%. You do realize that TS% encompasses how well a player shoots relative to his shots and the fact that Tyson Chandler led the league in TS% last season...
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Why are we bashing TS%. You do realize that TS% encompasses how well a player shoots relative to his shots and the fact that Tyson Chandler led the league in TS% last season...
Or you could just go by FG%.
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Oh, this discussion again. Wonderful.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

You could go back to dog sleds too. It's not our problem if math hates your haterade.
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Or you could just go by FG%.
Again, you do realize that TS% encompasses how well a player shoots OVERALL relative to where he shoots from.

I think you are just arguing this to argue it, because its one way to demean Harden's overall shooting percentages.
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Again, you do realize that TS% encompasses how well a player shoots OVERALL relative to where he shoots from.

I think you are just arguing this to argue it, because its one way to demean Harden's overall shooting percentages.
I've argued it from day one, the same way I argue that Hollinger ratings are pure bullshit as well.


Want to know how good a shooter someone is? Look at this FG%. Oh, he shoots a lot of 3's? Look at his 3pt% then. TS% is trash.


Egg heads always want to over complicate shit. FG% tells you effective a scorer someone is.
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You could go back to dog sleds too. It's not our problem if math hates your haterade.
I'm glad you left when I brought up your "Harden is better than Kobe" comment you made last year. Back now though are you?

You do understand my job is mainly math and chemistry correct?


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