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Old 10-28-2012, 10:26 AM   #106 (permalink)
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

I always thought signed draft picks couldn't be traded until Dec. 15, same as offseason free agents. Something that was eliminated in the new CBA, I assume.

In the one preseason game I saw of Jeremy Lamb, he looked like just a guy, but it wouldn't surprise me if he turned into something in Oklahoma City. Just how it always seems to work out.

Martin's a selfish player and not the creator that Harden is. Entering a contract year though, so could go either way. I think OKC takes a small step back this season in order to make a bigger leap forward if those picks turn out like people think they might.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

Suddenly I feel a bit more confident that the Lakers will win the West.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

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I always thought signed draft picks couldn't be traded until Dec. 15, same as offseason free agents. Something that was eliminated in the new CBA, I assume.
Draft picks can be traded 30 days after they sign.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:16 AM   #109 (permalink)
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

OKC got very good value on paper (more than Orlando got for Dwight Howard!) but that doesn't mean it was a good deal for them. The downgrade from Harden to Martin this year isn't huge, but a team that has realistic expectations of winning a championship should never make a move that makes them worse. I like Jeremy Lamb but the downgrade to him next year will be significant.

I don't think the draft picks help them all that much. The Lakers one isn't going to be good and the Raptors one is lottery protected. I don't see how late first round picks are going to crack an already busy rotation.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

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I always thought signed draft picks couldn't be traded until Dec. 15, same as offseason free agents. Something that was eliminated in the new CBA, I assume.

In the one preseason game I saw of Jeremy Lamb, he looked like just a guy, but it wouldn't surprise me if he turned into something in Oklahoma City. Just how it always seems to work out.

Martin's a selfish player and not the creator that Harden is. Entering a contract year though, so could go either way. I think OKC takes a small step back this season in order to make a bigger leap forward if those picks turn out like people think they might.
Yeah with those picks, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones, and obviously Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka they have an extremely bright future.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

I don't like this deal. Although OKC did get something good back in return, overall it doesn't fully make up for losing Harden, and considering how they're trying to win a title this year, I think this takes them a step back if anything.

As for Harden, he should've just taken the first deal that they offered him. Now his chances at gunning for a title are gone. ****ing idiot.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

I doubt Harden cares about his title chances. He wants to get paid. At this stage of his career I can't really blame him.
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:22 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

a thought: short term it's not just whether Martin is as good as Harden but rather whether Martin playing in a contract year is as good for the team as a potentially distracted and distracting Harden who might be moved at any time up to the trade deadline and what could that uncertainty do to team chemistry and focus?

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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

I feel a lot more comfortable as a Lakers fan after this trade. I don't think that the deal is necessarily bad for the Thunder, in fact in the long run I think they will benefit from this, but they will be a weaker team next season.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

Man I forgot that OKC drafted Perry Jones too. So much much young potential on that team it's scary.
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I don't think the draft picks help them all that much. The Lakers one isn't going to be good and the Raptors one is lottery protected. I don't see how late first round picks are going to crack an already busy rotation.
The Raptors pick is protected in a way to ensure it's a lottery pick. The only way that pick falls out of the lottery is if the Raptors make the playoffs every season through 2018. Additionally, the other draft pick is Dallas' first that's top-20 protected through 2017 and unprotected in 2018.

EDIT: Additionally, the haul that OKC got is why I don't understand why Orlando didn't just send Dwight to Houston.
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

One thing needs to be noted. I can tell from this thread that in the last few years of Houston's medicrity, most posters are not up to date on the current version of Kevin Martin. He ain't good.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:37 PM   #118 (permalink)
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

he is what he is which is what he's always been - he's an effective volume scorer who (btw) had one of his best seasons in 2010-11 but was hurt last year
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

Martin provides the opposite of what Harden brought the Thunder. Harden was that team's primary facilitator down the stretch of close games. Martin is the opposite of that, he's a one-dimensional player who is aging and not all that great at the one-dimension. The big problem with this trade is that Harden took a lot of pressure off of Westbrook and allowed him to do what he was capable of doing. The big way that the Thunder got better last year was by eliminating some of the negative plays from Westbrook. It's pretty questionable as to whether or not they'll be able to maintain that tactic now. This was accomplished by taking the ball away from him.

In fact Eric Maynor will be more important to the Thunder's chances at a title than Martin will be. He's going to have to handle the traditional PG responsibilities a lot more than he did when he was last healthy. Martin provides some scoring, but it's not going to be impactful really. Hard to imagine that he'll be able to play effectively with Durant or Westbrook.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:55 PM   #120 (permalink)
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Re: James Harden TRADED to Rockets

dude, Martin is 28 and he's only there for one year - if you factor in the uncertainty and inevitable trade scenarios that would go along with Harden's decision this is a win - the moment he turned down the OKC offer Harden was not going to be a member of the Thunder after february one way or another and the Thunder were'nt going to get the same return from him they'd gotten in previous seasons - add in the way this deal lines up the Thunder's next 5 years it's a pretty clear upgrade and at least situationally it's pretty close to a best case scenario
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