Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

**Dre** · 11-10-2012, 04:56 PM

...?

And for that matter this can meander into power forward rankings because I have to admit Kevin Love is just firmly better than him at this point...will that ever change?

**Luke** · 11-10-2012, 06:00 PM

He's not a finished product by any means but he's certainly correctable at this point. Learn to hit open jumpers, learn to play the pick 'n roll, and improve defensively. It's doable.

**Seuss** · 11-10-2012, 07:20 PM

I think he'll be a better version of Amare Stoudemire, if that's saying much. I really don't see Griffin ever becoming a game-changer with his play on the defensive end. But you would think, a guy as athletic as Griffin, should become a great shot-blocker.

**Diable** · 11-10-2012, 07:51 PM

He has a lot of holes in his game, but it is mostly stuff that can be fixed with dedication and coaching. This is up to him in large part. He has all of the physical tools, but not enough skill or touch.

MemphisX · 11-10-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dre

...?

And for that matter this can meander into power forward rankings because I have to admit Kevin Love is just firmly better than him at this point...will that ever change?

I disagree.

**R-Star** · 11-10-2012, 10:27 PM

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I disagree.

We know. And you're wrong.

**Dre** · 11-10-2012, 10:47 PM

Care to say why

**Jamel Irief** · 11-10-2012, 10:49 PM

Why did you mention Kevin Love? We know where this thread is going now...

**BlakeJesus** · 11-10-2012, 10:57 PM

It's one of those things where people are going to be on both sides of this argument, and both sides are going to feel pretty good about their opinion. His physical skills are off the charts, his ballhandling ability for somebody his size is INCREDIBLE, and he is extremely creative finishing around the rim. But people who think he is what he is do not see him developing his jump shot, and don't see him improving on defense.

With that said, and it's pretty obvious, I'm on the same side with everybody who thinks he's going to keep developing. He works hard, he has the tools, Chris Paul is a fantastic guy to have around keeping him honest, and frankly I think he wants it. He showed some heart playing against Zach Randolph in the playoffs, even though Randolph beat up on him at times. His defense just needs to be properly motivated, because he can play defense when he's 100% into it. Even if this is who he is, he's an exciting and appreciable player. Franchise Player is probably a bit strong, but you can win a championship with him as your 2nd best player already in my opinion.

**Dre** · 11-10-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

Why did you mention Kevin Love? We know where this thread is going now...

Thread was going there regardless let's be honest

**Dre** · 11-10-2012, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

Franchise Player is probably a bit strong, but you can win a championship with him as your 2nd best player already in my opinion.

36 Karat · 11-10-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

It's one of those things where people are going to be on both sides of this argument, and both sides are going to feel pretty good about their opinion. His physical skills are off the charts, his ballhandling ability for somebody his size is INCREDIBLE, and he is extremely creative finishing around the rim. But people who think he is what he is do not see him developing his jump shot, and don't see him improving on defense.

With that said, and it's pretty obvious, I'm on the same side with everybody who thinks he's going to keep developing. He works hard, he has the tools, Chris Paul is a fantastic guy to have around keeping him honest, and frankly I think he wants it. He showed some heart playing against Zach Randolph in the playoffs, even though Randolph beat up on him at times. His defense just needs to be properly motivated, because he can play defense when he's 100% into it. Even if this is who he is, he's an exciting and appreciable player. Franchise Player is probably a bit strong, but you can win a championship with him as your 2nd best player already in my opinion.

To add to this, I've had a feeling so far this season, from the few Clippers games I've caught, that the rise in Deandre Jordan's popularity places a small chip on Blake's shoulders as well. That's not to say Deandre Jordan is endangering Blake Griffin's job, just that it certainly does help to have terrific players like him, Chris Paul, and Jamal Crawford around whose presence holds his development accountable. Not so sure that's a privilege Kevin Love has.

**Dre** · 11-10-2012, 11:49 PM

How is that the case when Love is looked at as the unquestioned best player on his team and just got off the Olympic team...we're not talking about Paul Millsap he can't slack off and no one care.

He definitely has incentive to maintain a certain level of play if not his teammates

36 Karat · 11-11-2012, 12:11 AM

It's not that he isn't properly incentivized, it's that Blake Griffin plays in a larger market where there are other players who are known to be higher caliber. Their expectations when it comes to winning are higher than those of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

36 Karat · 11-11-2012, 12:16 AM

But let's not get too caught up on Love; what mold do you guys see Blake forming into? Seuss had mentioned him being a slightly better Amar'e Stoudemire.

Appropriate YouTube moment

11-10-2012, 04:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dre do better Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 25 Posts: 41,325 Rep Power: 21474887	Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player ...? And for that matter this can meander into power forward rankings because I have to admit Kevin Love is just firmly better than him at this point...will that ever change?

11-10-2012, 06:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Luke Go Dawgs Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,868 Rep Power: 4300832	Re: Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player He's not a finished product by any means but he's certainly correctable at this point. Learn to hit open jumpers, learn to play the pick 'n roll, and improve defensively. It's doable. __________________ Formerly VanillaPrice

11-10-2012, 07:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Seuss Your Humble Homer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Inside a computer, touching gadgets Age: 22 Posts: 11,064 Rep Power: 17314777	Re: Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player I think he'll be a better version of Amare Stoudemire, if that's saying much. I really don't see Griffin ever becoming a game-changer with his play on the defensive end. But you would think, a guy as athletic as Griffin, should become a great shot-blocker. __________________ The Best Damn Babe Thread

11-10-2012, 07:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,127 Rep Power: 14577544	Re: Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player He has a lot of holes in his game, but it is mostly stuff that can be fixed with dedication and coaching. This is up to him in large part. He has all of the physical tools, but not enough skill or touch. __________________

11-10-2012, 10:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jamel Irief KING OF THE INTERWEBZ! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Watching the Lakers Age: 96 Posts: 20,182 Rep Power: 14052088	Re: Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player Why did you mention Kevin Love? We know where this thread is going now... __________________

11-10-2012, 10:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dre do better Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 25 Posts: 41,325 Rep Power: 21474887	Care to say why

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BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 16,769 Rep Power: 12803037	Re: Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player It's one of those things where people are going to be on both sides of this argument, and both sides are going to feel pretty good about their opinion. His physical skills are off the charts, his ballhandling ability for somebody his size is INCREDIBLE, and he is extremely creative finishing around the rim. But people who think he is what he is do not see him developing his jump shot, and don't see him improving on defense. With that said, and it's pretty obvious, I'm on the same side with everybody who thinks he's going to keep developing. He works hard, he has the tools, Chris Paul is a fantastic guy to have around keeping him honest, and frankly I think he wants it. He showed some heart playing against Zach Randolph in the playoffs, even though Randolph beat up on him at times. His defense just needs to be properly motivated, because he can play defense when he's 100% into it. Even if this is who he is, he's an exciting and appreciable player. Franchise Player is probably a bit strong, but you can win a championship with him as your 2nd best player already in my opinion. __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

11-10-2012, 11:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dre do better Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 25 Posts: 41,325 Rep Power: 21474887	How is that the case when Love is looked at as the unquestioned best player on his team and just got off the Olympic team...we're not talking about Paul Millsap he can't slack off and no one care. He definitely has incentive to maintain a certain level of play if not his teammates

11-11-2012, 12:11 AM	#14 (permalink)
36 Karat Mammal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Milwaukee Age: 22 Posts: 2,299 Rep Power: 1991515	Re: Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player It's not that he isn't properly incentivized, it's that Blake Griffin plays in a larger market where there are other players who are known to be higher caliber. Their expectations when it comes to winning are higher than those of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

11-11-2012, 12:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
36 Karat Mammal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Milwaukee Age: 22 Posts: 2,299 Rep Power: 1991515	Re: Are we still expecting Griffin to become a Franchise Player But let's not get too caught up on Love; what mold do you guys see Blake forming into? Seuss had mentioned him being a slightly better Amar'e Stoudemire. Appropriate YouTube moment

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