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Old 11-24-2012, 10:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to start the Pau Gasol watch back up

You don't need "more aggressive looking for his shot" when you have Kobe and Dwight on the floor, and the alternative to Mr. Aggressive shoots a much higher percentage and can also space the floor within the 3-point line.

Pau is a much better passer, theoretically a great rebounder, and it's not like Jamison has been a knock-down 3-point-shooter this season.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:20 PM   #17 (permalink)
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You don't need "more aggressive looking for his shot" when you have Kobe and Dwight on the floor, and the alternative to Mr. Aggressive shoots a much higher percentage and can also space the floor within the 3-point line.

Pau is a much better passer, theoretically a great rebounder, and it's not like Jamison has been a knock-down 3-point-shooter this season.
Yes. That's exactly what you need. Or else teams will just crowd Kobe and foul Dwight all night long. The Lakers need the role players to all shoot shots they are very capable of making. Keeps Kobe from going into his hero mode and jacking up awful shots. Higher percentage is irrelevant if my whole point was Pau was only takeing wide open 17 footers. Metta's not shooting a great percentage either but I dare you to find a Laker fan that thinks Pau has been a better offensive player this year.

And again if your point is people shouldn't be agressive when Kobe or Dwight are on the floor does it even matter who plays between Pau and Jamison? why not play Jordan Hill?

Not sure why you mentioned Jamison shooting this season when I was discussing the two's careers. Guess you want to "win."
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Re: Is it time to start the Pau Gasol watch back up

um Metta's efficiency #s are at a career high right now

and it's not that Jamison is better than Pau nor that he's more aggressive, he's just a better fit conceptually in the Marion role (at least offensively) in other words he's a stretch 4 and provides better spacing in the system - not brain surgery and neither damning of pau nor to jamison's credit
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um Metta's efficiency #s are at a career high right now

and it's not that Jamison is better than Pau nor that he's more aggressive, he's just a better fit conceptually in the Marion role (at least offensively) in other words he's a stretch 4 and provides better spacing in the system - not brain surgery and neither damning of pau nor to jamison's credit
Um I don't know what you mean by efficiency #'s. What I said about Metta was true.

Jamison is doing more damage one-on-one scoring in the low post and from cuts to the basket than he is from the 3 point line. You were right on about the Marion thing, except you described Channing Frye.
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Re: Is it time to start the Pau Gasol watch back up

It all will work out fine. The plan is for a two year window. They won't be giving Josh or anyone else anything past that two year span and we all know Josh will get much more than that.

Hey, Lamar found the bench and became sixth man of the year. Maybe that's Pau's future. I am just glad we have a coach with the balls to do what needs to be done.
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Yes. That's exactly what you need. Or else teams will just crowd Kobe and foul Dwight all night long. The Lakers need the role players to all shoot shots they are very capable of making. Keeps Kobe from going into his hero mode and jacking up awful shots. Higher percentage is irrelevant if my whole point was Pau was only takeing wide open 17 footers. Metta's not shooting a great percentage either but I dare you to find a Laker fan that thinks Pau has been a better offensive player this year.

And again if your point is people shouldn't be agressive when Kobe or Dwight are on the floor does it even matter who plays between Pau and Jamison? why not play Jordan Hill?

Not sure why you mentioned Jamison shooting this season when I was discussing the two's careers. Guess you want to "win."
Oh my goodness. All of it.

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um Metta's efficiency #s are at a career high right now

and it's not that Jamison is better than Pau nor that he's more aggressive, he's just a better fit conceptually in the Marion role (at least offensively) in other words he's a stretch 4 and provides better spacing in the system - not brain surgery and neither damning of pau nor to jamison's credit
Exactly. This is what I'm getting at. D'Antoni didn't choose Jamison because he's the better offensive player, he chose him because he fits the D'Antoni paradigm better.
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Um I don't know what you mean by efficiency #'s. What I said about Metta was true.
his seasonal efg% is .550% and his TS% .588% - you said Metta is 'not shooting a great % either' so no what you said was not true - he's currently hitting on .391 of his treys which is actually really good seeing as it's the per shot equivalent of hitting 58% from inside the arc

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Jamison is doing more damage one-on-one scoring in the low post and from cuts to the basket than he is from the 3 point line. You were right on about the Marion thing, except you described Channing Frye.
Jamison is a stretch 4 (Brown was trying to play him at 3 even) and only 18% of his shots are taken inside, 83% of all his shots qualify as jump shots; 50% of all his shots this season are treys

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Exactly. This is what I'm getting at. D'Antoni didn't choose Jamison because he's the better offensive player, he chose him because he fits the D'Antoni paradigm better.
I'd go further and just say that situationally, in that situation fighting from behind, pushing the tempo, etc Jamison made more sense and he brought in energy that Pau clearly didnt have that night... that night
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his seasonal efg% is .550% and his TS% .588% - you said Metta is 'not shooting a great % either' so no what you said was not true - he's currently hitting on .391 of his treys which is actually really good seeing as it's the per shot equivalent of hitting 58% from inside the arc
I honestly don't know a thing you just said. I don't follow regular stats that much, let alone advanced stats. Usually I just observe.

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Jamison is a stretch 4 (Brown was trying to play him at 3 even) and only 18% of his shots are taken inside, 83% of all his shots qualify as jump shots; 50% of all his shots this season are treys
Again, I was specifically talking about the last two games where he was playing over Pau. I'm impressed at this wealth of numbers you're providing though. Where are you getting them?

All this is somewhat irrelevant because I think Pau will figure out that the lakers don't need him to be a passing nancy to play. If he's got a man on one on one 17 feet and up he better only be looking to pass if a man is wide open.



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Re: Is it time to start the Pau Gasol watch back up

He'll be fine.
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I honestly don't know a thing you just said. I don't follow regular stats that much, let alone advanced stats. Usually I just observe.
In the two losses Peace averaged 40% from behind the arc on 4 of 10 shooting (2 of 5 both nights) and finished 9 of 19 from the field over the two games so Im not sure what you were observing

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Again, I was specifically talking about the last two games where he was playing over Pau. I'm impressed at this wealth of numbers you're providing though. Where are you getting them?
the internet is a treasure trove if you know where to look

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All this is somewhat irrelevant because I think Pau will figure out that the lakers don't need him to be a passing nancy to play. If he's got a man on one on one 17 feet and up he better only be looking to pass if a man is wide open.
not sure about that - it's kind of his job to read and react and passing down to Howard off the 2/4 P&R is a big part of that

and BTW Im not sure why so many are quick to dog Pau when Howard played every bit as poorly in those losses but no one is talking about that
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In the two losses Peace averaged 40% from behind the arc on 4 of 10 shooting (2 of 5 both nights) and finished 9 of 19 from the field over the two games so Im not sure what you were observing
When I was talking about Metta I was talking about the season as a whole.

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I've figured, but again since I don't even know what efgs and ts are how I would I even began to look? In the end those geek stats have never appealed to me.


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not sure about that - it's kind of his job to read and react and passing down to Howard off the 2/4 P&R is a big part of that
Passing down to Dwight Howard falls under "passing to a man that is open." Swinging to Metta or Kobe on the perimeter with a man on them does not.
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and BTW Im not sure why so many are quick to dog Pau when Howard played every bit as poorly in those losses but no one is talking about that
People had this preconceived notion that D'antoni only wants 3 point shooting 4's. Not to mention that while Dwight has played poorly, he was at least on the court. Why was a 4 second gif of an expression-less Kobe during a loss to Utah so talked about? People looking for drama.
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When I was talking about Metta I was talking about the season as a whole.
ok so back to the first numbers I posted - off the chart good, better even than in the two losses

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I've figured, but again since I don't even know what efgs and ts are how I would I even began to look? In the end those geek stats have never appealed to me.
here's the deal - shooting poorly is not a matter of opinion - it is a measurable characteristic - Im not saying that stats are the end all but given the right contextual support they can serve to bring light to many debates - good vs poor shooting is an example of such


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Passing down to Dwight Howard falls under "passing to a man that is open." Swinging to Metta or Kobe on the perimeter with a man on them does not.
those are check downs that are part of the play, and the way that Metta is shooting not a bad option

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People had this preconceived notion that D'antoni only wants 3 point shooting 4's. Not to mention that while Dwight has played poorly, he was at least on the court. Why was a 4 second gif of an expression-less Kobe during a loss to Utah so talked about? People looking for drama.
you're right, plus as part of having preconceived notions they are ready to follow established narratives, Howard gets 4 rebounds in 40 minutes but Pau is a big pussy because, you know, "Gasoft"
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Re: Is it time to start the Pau Gasol watch back up

Bryan Colangelo's due for a panic trade to try and save his job, no? If Gasol gets shopped, and I'm not convinced he will, I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of Bargnani/Calderon for Gasol get tossed around. Heck, because it's the Lakers, and teams love just giving the Lakers things that they don't have to, LA will probably get a pair of picks out of it as well.
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That would be craaazy

Makes little sense for Toronto though
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