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e-monk · 11-30-2012, 04:57 PM

there's a reason they call Kwame the Difference Maker (they do that, right?)

**R-Star** · 11-30-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

You've fallen victim to the "you must spread rep" curse.

**E.H. Munro** · 11-30-2012, 05:36 PM

Once again Rondo's out and the guys that "he makes look better!!!" are playing worlds better without him. He might be the single hardest player to build around in the NBA.

**Jace** · 11-30-2012, 05:47 PM

That's interesting. So many people would argue he's the best player in the league at the position known for bringing the most out of teammates. Why do you think it is they play better without him?

**R-Star** · 11-30-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

That's interesting. So many people would argue he's the best player in the league at the position known for bringing the most out of teammates. Why do you think it is they play better without him?

Don't do it.... its a trap.

He's right and you're wrong. Trust me bro.

**E.H. Munro** · 11-30-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

That's interesting. So many people would argue he's the best player in the league at the position known for bringing the most out of teammates. Why do you think it is they play better without him?

I don't know. I'm watching the game with a friend and the best we can come up with is that Rondo's habit of dribbling the air out of the ball makes a lot of the roleplayers very passive. Just watching Lee tonight, I haven't seen this version of him since his rookie year. Extremely aggressive on both ends of the floor, attacking, no hesitating when shooting. And if it's his command of the ball that causes the problem, how do you build around that?

**Jace** · 11-30-2012, 06:03 PM

Yeah my guess was going to be he pounds too much and looks for his assists rather than "hockey" assists or letting guys use their creating ability. Assists can be deceptive. AI had a lot of high-assist games, but no one confused him for a makes-his-teammates-better, true point.

**R-Star** · 11-30-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

Yeah my guess was going to be he pounds too much and looks for his assists rather than "hockey" assists or letting guys use their creating ability. Assists can be deceptive. AI had a lot of high-assist games, but no one confused him for a makes-his-teammates-better, true point.

So did Steph, but they got their assists by being a scoring guard who hogged the ball. I don't see that with Rondo, although it seems like that's how EH describes him.

**Jace** · 11-30-2012, 06:18 PM

Was going to mention Steph too, and Rose seems to be in that category. Rondo clearly isn't that type of scorer, but he's clearly more assist-guy than floor general. Never really thought of that having an overall negative effect for a team, but I don't watch Boston closely enough to have an opinion either way. I do know that he kills my team when we play him.

**E.H. Munro** · 11-30-2012, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

Yeah my guess was going to be he pounds too much and looks for his assists rather than "hockey" assists or letting guys use their creating ability. Assists can be deceptive. AI had a lot of high-assist games, but no one confused him for a makes-his-teammates-better, true point.

I have no idea. All I can say is that tonight Green looks like the guy they thought they were getting when they settled for him and Lee has had a hell of a game. He's been invisible almost all season, to the extent that we've been getting impatient for Bradley's return. But tonight? Drives, assists, rebounds, steals, killer defense. He's been everywhere out there.

**E.H. Munro** · 11-30-2012, 07:20 PM

I know everyone hates Tommy Heinsohn, but I love listening to him on Friday or Saturday night games when the bourbon & coke is flowing like honey in the promised land. Highlight of tonight's game came in the fourth quarter on an errant pass that led to a Portland turnover, the three sheets to the wind Heinsohn says "That looked like a real rim job there". Followed by dead silence from the play by play guy.

**Jace** · 11-30-2012, 07:26 PM

He's drunk for weekend games?

**E.H. Munro** · 11-30-2012, 07:30 PM

And then some. He used to be drunk nightly, but due to doctor's orders he's cut back on the sauce. I feel sorry for Mike Gorman on these nights, but it's still hilarious.

XxIrvingxX · 11-30-2012, 07:44 PM

Larry Sanders got a triple double tonight with 10 points, 12 rebounds, and 10 blocks. Wow. And he's on my fantasy team too.

**Knicks4life** · 11-30-2012, 07:53 PM

GALLO SMASH!!!

11-30-2012, 04:57 PM	#16 (permalink)
e-monk All-Star Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,685 Rep Power: 3274359	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] there's a reason they call Kwame the Difference Maker (they do that, right?)

11-30-2012, 05:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,281 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] Once again Rondo's out and the guys that "he makes look better!!!" are playing worlds better without him. He might be the single hardest player to build around in the NBA. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

11-30-2012, 05:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 16,101 Rep Power: 2677068	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] That's interesting. So many people would argue he's the best player in the league at the position known for bringing the most out of teammates. Why do you think it is they play better without him? __________________ Jace's soundcloud

11-30-2012, 06:03 PM	#22 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 16,101 Rep Power: 2677068	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] Yeah my guess was going to be he pounds too much and looks for his assists rather than "hockey" assists or letting guys use their creating ability. Assists can be deceptive. AI had a lot of high-assist games, but no one confused him for a makes-his-teammates-better, true point. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

11-30-2012, 06:18 PM	#24 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 16,101 Rep Power: 2677068	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] Was going to mention Steph too, and Rose seems to be in that category. Rondo clearly isn't that type of scorer, but he's clearly more assist-guy than floor general. Never really thought of that having an overall negative effect for a team, but I don't watch Boston closely enough to have an opinion either way. I do know that he kills my team when we play him. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

11-30-2012, 07:20 PM	#26 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,281 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] I know everyone hates Tommy Heinsohn, but I love listening to him on Friday or Saturday night games when the bourbon & coke is flowing like honey in the promised land. Highlight of tonight's game came in the fourth quarter on an errant pass that led to a Portland turnover, the three sheets to the wind Heinsohn says "That looked like a real rim job there". Followed by dead silence from the play by play guy. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

11-30-2012, 07:26 PM	#27 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 16,101 Rep Power: 2677068	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] He's drunk for weekend games? __________________ Jace's soundcloud

11-30-2012, 07:30 PM	#28 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,281 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] And then some. He used to be drunk nightly, but due to doctor's orders he's cut back on the sauce. I feel sorry for Mike Gorman on these nights, but it's still hilarious. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

11-30-2012, 07:53 PM	#30 (permalink)
Knicks4life Too Big To Fail Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,241 Rep Power: 3012647	Re: Today's Game Discussion [11/30/12] GALLO SMASH!!! __________________ "Winning is the most important thing in my life,after breathing. Breathing first, winning next"-George Steinbrenner

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