Rate Jeremy Lin

[E.H. Munro]

Originally Posted by RollWithEm

He rebounds and defends very well, but he's a horrible offensive player that really drags the team down. He's a bad passer, a bad shooter, a bad finisher, and has bad hands. He should not be a starting center in this league IMO.

Yes, but we can say all the same things about Kendrick Perkins, who's getting more and providing less than Asik. Given what I was expecting from Asik I've been relieved. Lin, on the other hand, sucks.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by michelangelo

Steve Nash was averaging 7 pts a game and shooting 36% from the field when he was 24 years of age. So, no one wants that.

And Steve was a crazy-rare case. That doesn't work as evidence to make it a reasonable comparison.

[Jace]

Maybe it's not Samson. McHale is back and Douglas has played 8 more minutes than Lin. Lin is out with 8 minutes left. Reminder: Toney Douglas is awful.

[michelangelo]

Originally Posted by Jace

And Steve was a crazy-rare case. That doesn't work as evidence to make it a reasonable comparison.

You are incoherent. I just said that a nash comparison was silly and now you are agreeing with me but too dim witted to realize it.

Steve Nash was a dog for 3 straight seasons. steve nash wasn't Steve Nash until he was plugged into the dantoni system.

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by michelangelo

You are incoherent. I just said that a nash comparison was silly and now you are agreeing with me but too dim witted to realize it.

Steve Nash was a dog for 3 straight seasons. steve nash wasn't Steve Nash until he was plugged into the dantoni system.

and then also he was steve nash later under the gentry system but maybe too he was steve nash a little bit under the don nelson system for 4 years before D'Antoni where he was with the mavs and going to a couple all star games or....

you know, whatever other facts that might undermine the whole "steve nash, system player" meme someone might be trying to purvey

[kbdullah]

Just watched the Rockets/Mavericks game in it's entirety. Should be noted that while Jeremy starts, he played 18 minutes, while the "backup" point guard Toney Douglas played 34 minutes. I still think he's a pick and roll point guard that needs picks set for him to create separation from the defense.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by michelangelo

You are incoherent. I just said that a nash comparison was silly and now you are agreeing with me but too dim witted to realize it.

Steve Nash was a dog for 3 straight seasons. steve nash wasn't Steve Nash until he was plugged into the dantoni system.

Calm down. Your post wasn't all that coherent, to use the word properly. Has nothing to do with "dim" wits, plucko. It appeared you were arguing that Steve wasn't stellar early in his career so Lin could reach his level. A simple mistake. It's difficult to read tone on the internet, especially when you're expecting people who quote you to be disagreeing. No need to get hostile. And you should probably learn how to use words properly before attacking someone's intelligence.

And as e-monk mentioned, Steve has been very good away from D'Antoni, further contributing to the misunderstanding of your post.

Back on topic, McHale played Douglas nearly twice as many minutes tonight (18 to 35). Toney Douglas.



And yeah, maybe he's still not 100% from the knee surgery, but he sure does have trouble getting one-on-one separation.

[RollWithEm]

Originally Posted by kbdullah

Just watched the Rockets/Mavericks game in it's entirety. Should be noted that while Jeremy starts, he played 18 minutes, while the "backup" point guard Toney Douglas played 34 minutes. I still think he's a pick and roll point guard that needs picks set for him to create separation from the defense.

He doesn't have a big who sets good screens OR a big who rolls with authority to catch and finish. In short, he needs Tyson Chandler.

[e-monk]

he has a PER of 12 - he is playing atrocious ball, PER 15 is average, barbosa is playing better than him - he sucks - signed, ball scientist

[Jace]

I'll give him at least a full season before I commit to believing he flat out sucks, though I'm already sure he falls way short of what many thought he was last season. I hear the argument he needs a better big man to work with, and would like to see him play with one before coming to any sort of final conclusion. Playing in a backcourt with a creator/handler like Harden, though, masks some of his own flaws in those areas.

[hobojoe]

Lin does not "suck". You can't do what he did last year and "suck". What he is, is a player who can only succeed in very specific situations and systems. Houston with James Harden as the primary playmaker is not that situation. I firmly believe Lin would be having a good year if Harden was not in the picture. Having a center that can finish instead of Asik would be ideal too.

[e-monk]

he is actively sucking right now, this year, harder than a porn star in a 6 on 1

but who are you going to believe? your preconception or your own lying eyes?

[E.H. Munro]

Originally Posted by hobojoe

Lin does not "suck". You can't do what he did last year and "suck". What he is, is a player who can only succeed in very specific situations and systems. Houston with James Harden as the primary playmaker is not that situation. I firmly believe Lin would be having a good year if Harden was not in the picture. Having a center that can finish instead of Asik would be ideal too.

"Linsanity" lasted for about ten games last year. After that the results got considerably more shaky. I know it's de rigueur to blame Carmelo for "ruining" Jeremy Lin. But is Lin really any different from, say, Billy Ray Bates? I mean, Linsanity basically lasted just about as long as it took for scouts to put together a book on him.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by hobojoe

Lin does not "suck". You can't do what he did last year and "suck". What he is, is a player who can only succeed in very specific situations and systems. Houston with James Harden as the primary playmaker is not that situation. I firmly believe Lin would be having a good year if Harden was not in the picture. Having a center that can finish instead of Asik would be ideal too.

If he didn't share the ball with another strong handler/playmaker, he'd average 8 TO's a game.

[Wade County]

Lin is who I thought he was. I never expected him to reach the heights of a 20/8 PG on a permanent basis, and his game has a lot of holes.

Ironic that Toney Douglas is stealing his minutes in Houston, after the opposite happened in New York.

Despite the huge start to his career, Lin finished last season at 14 and 6 in 27 minutes. He's at 10/4/6 in 32 minutes now. If he was shooting around 44% instead of 38%, he'd be more serviceable - but his offense is shocking at the moment. No range, and can't finish inside. Not a great combo.

Maybe he'll revert to 14/4/6 soon, which isn't bad if he can tone the turnovers down. But he's no franchise player.