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**Jamel Irief** · 12-09-2012, 07:29 PM

Flip Murray didn't have a sucky career either. He was just a good backup.

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**Jace** · 12-09-2012, 09:06 PM

Wait, where did Flip Murray come from?

kbdullah · 12-09-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RollWithEm

He doesn't have a big who sets good screens OR a big who rolls with authority to catch and finish. In short, he needs Tyson Chandler.

Yep, said this in another thread, but didn't want to do another full monologue on it.

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

Lin does not "suck". You can't do what he did last year and "suck". What he is, is a player who can only succeed in very specific situations and systems. Houston with James Harden as the primary playmaker is not that situation. I firmly believe Lin would be having a good year if Harden was not in the picture. Having a center that can finish instead of Asik would be ideal too.

The Rockets are perfectly happy letting Harden handle the ball, surrounding him with shooters, therefore granting Douglass get the lion's share of the pg minutes. They'll probably continue to tread water doing that too, until some intrepid reporter comes along and asks the obvious question and it becomes awkward.

hobojoe · 12-09-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

If he didn't share the ball with another strong handler/playmaker, he'd average 8 TO's a game.

That's an exaggeration, but yes he'd very likely lead the league. I'm not saying it'd be a smart strategy to make him your franchise player and let him dominate the ball, but he's capable of doing it reasonably well for a mediocre team. He can make plays around the rim pretty well. Throw him on Phoenix this year instead of Dragic and I bet he's putting up good numbers and the Suns have a better record. I also think Dragic would be a much better fit on Houston with Harden than Lin is.

**RollWithEm** · 12-09-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

Throw him on Phoenix this year instead of Dragic and I bet he's putting up good numbers and the Suns have a better record. I also think Dragic would be a much better fit on Houston with Harden than Lin is.

I actually agree with both of those points.

**Jamel Irief** · 12-09-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

Wait, where did Flip Murray come from?

Nowhere to average 20 ppg for a month just like Jeremy Lin.

**Jace** · 12-10-2012, 12:24 AM

Gotcha, his injection into this thread just seemed a little out of nowhere.

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

That's an exaggeration, but yes he'd very likely lead the league. I'm not saying it'd be a smart strategy to make him your franchise player and let him dominate the ball, but he's capable of doing it reasonably well for a mediocre team. He can make plays around the rim pretty well. Throw him on Phoenix this year instead of Dragic and I bet he's putting up good numbers and the Suns have a better record. I also think Dragic would be a much better fit on Houston with Harden than Lin is.

Definitely. I thought about going way higher to make it obvious, but I figured people would recognize it as such regardless.

Don't know about those Dragic comments. Why do you think he'd make PHX better than Dragic?

**GrandKenyon6** · 12-10-2012, 07:54 AM

He's Flip Murray. I'm glad someone else recognizes it.

Flip was a serviceable backup for most of his career though, and I'm not sure Lin will be. There's a reason this guy has been in and out of the D-League. He can't shoot, he can't defend, his dribble is way too high, he's a poor decision-maker and a turnover waiting to happen, and he has only moderate quickness. The only way for him to be effective at all is if he has the ball in his hands the majority of the time, but he's not good enough to have the ball in his hands.

He will never be as good as Bibby was. That's absurd. Bibby was a borderline level All-Star player. Lin will never approach that.

I wouldn't hesitate to take Ridnour over Lin either. Ridnour is a steady backup point guard who spaces the floor, plays under control, and can fill in as a starter adequately if necessary. Lin doesn't do what I would want from a backup 1, and he's certainly not good enough to be a full-time starter.

**E.H. Munro** · 12-10-2012, 08:19 AM

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The only way for him to be effective at all is if he has the ball in his hands the majority of the time, but he's not good enough to have the ball in his hands.

This, in a nutshell, is my problem with him. I mean, I consider this a problem with Rondo, and it's a big reason that I think he's so tough to construct a team around. But at least Rondo's good. Lin doesn't even have that going for him.

**Jamel Irief** · 12-10-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

Gotcha, his injection into this thread just seemed a little out of nowhere.

hobojoe mentioned that players don't average what Lin did in a month stretch if they suck.

As for Lin, I said this last year but he's a less explosive Tyreke Evans to me.

**Jace** · 12-10-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandKenyon6

He's Flip Murray. I'm glad someone else recognizes it.

Flip was a serviceable backup for most of his career though, and I'm not sure Lin will be. There's a reason this guy has been in and out of the D-League. He can't shoot, he can't defend, his dribble is way too high, he's a poor decision-maker and a turnover waiting to happen, and he has only moderate quickness. The only way for him to be effective at all is if he has the ball in his hands the majority of the time, but he's not good enough to have the ball in his hands.

He will never be as good as Bibby was. That's absurd. Bibby was a borderline level All-Star player. Lin will never approach that.

I wouldn't hesitate to take Ridnour over Lin either. Ridnour is a steady backup point guard who spaces the floor, plays under control, and can fill in as a starter adequately if necessary. Lin doesn't do what I would want from a backup 1, and he's certainly not good enough to be a full-time starter.

Co-signed. And would also add that Lin has some work to do to become as crafty a scorer as Flip was.

**Wade County** · 12-10-2012, 06:54 PM

Linsanity going off today

**E.H. Munro** · 12-10-2012, 07:00 PM

Have Lin & Douglas hit 50 yet? San Antonio seemed to be sleepwalking while I was watching.

doctordrizzay · 12-10-2012, 07:00 PM

Wow and this is the week I have a bye in Fantasy. D-Lee, Wade, Lin light it up Josh Smith hitting 4 three's. ****ing bullshit. my league is 9 Cat...

**Jace** · 12-10-2012, 07:03 PM

Can we ban fantasy talk from the non-fantasy forums? I couldn't care less.

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@stackmack Lin has 32 points in 31 minutes on 15 FGA right now. #Rockets

Very nice. OP must be launching confetti in his room right now.

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GrandKenyon6 -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sunny Orlando Posts: 4,506 Rep Power: 3377888	Re: Rate Jeremy Lin He's Flip Murray. I'm glad someone else recognizes it. Flip was a serviceable backup for most of his career though, and I'm not sure Lin will be. There's a reason this guy has been in and out of the D-League. He can't shoot, he can't defend, his dribble is way too high, he's a poor decision-maker and a turnover waiting to happen, and he has only moderate quickness. The only way for him to be effective at all is if he has the ball in his hands the majority of the time, but he's not good enough to have the ball in his hands. He will never be as good as Bibby was. That's absurd. Bibby was a borderline level All-Star player. Lin will never approach that. I wouldn't hesitate to take Ridnour over Lin either. Ridnour is a steady backup point guard who spaces the floor, plays under control, and can fill in as a starter adequately if necessary. Lin doesn't do what I would want from a backup 1, and he's certainly not good enough to be a full-time starter.

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doctordrizzay Veteran Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,327 Rep Power: 0	Re: Rate Jeremy Lin Wow and this is the week I have a bye in Fantasy. D-Lee, Wade, Lin light it up Josh Smith hitting 4 three's. ****ing bullshit. my league is 9 Cat... __________________ Miami Heat won't go 16-0 in post season.

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