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Old 12-28-2012, 11:35 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I'll never be able to agree with you that he intended to break Kobe's nose, though he shouldn't have taken a layup-preventer foul in the ASG. He also couldn't have known that would happen to Rondo's arm. Process vs. Result. I'm sure you can scour the league and find many players you wouldn't think of as dirty who've caused injury damage to multiple opposing players. Not saying Wade doesn't get heated and do stupid shit from time to time, but it's clear to me he wasn't seeking to cause the resulting damage in either of those situations.

Flame him for being reckless and apathetic to the ensuing damage, but wording it like he decided he was going to break an arm or a nose is off-base.
And who is the rush to Wade's defense poster in all of this? Me? Or yourself?

You talked about Kobe being worse, yet came up with no examples, and with the glaring ones people brought up for Wade, you brushed it off saying "Yea... but he didn't really mean it though."


Think about for a minute the fact he just finished kneeing someone in the balls, and the fact we've all agreed he meant to. So you're going to sit there and tell me he meant to knee someone in the balls, but throwing a hard foul at a players face is out of the question?


Come on man. I completely changed my opinion on Lebron and have gone out of my way to praise him since he smartened up. I did the same with Kobe over the years, and on the flip side went from liking guys like KG to opening hating them. Its you who are a huge fan of the team and player here, not me. Which of the two of us is likely to be less objective here?


Wade is quite easily the dirtiest player in the game right now. If you disagree, show examples like I asked. I may or may not decide to brush them aside with a "Yea, but I looked in his eyes and he didn't mean it." response.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:36 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I dont think a play is any more or less dirty depending on if a serious injury occurs. If jj barrea clotheslined Bynum the result would be a bruised arm or dislocated shoulder for JJ.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:40 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I dont think a play is any more or less dirty depending on if a serious injury occurs. If jj barrea clotheslined Bynum the result would be a bruised arm or dislocated shoulder for JJ.
It would be like Barea going and drop kicking the oldest lady in the arena..... from behind.


Bynum is one of the biggest guys in the game, Barea is the smallest. Andrew then ran around with his shirt off doing a "What? What mother ****er! Look at how much of a bad ass I am! What? We're losing the game? **** I don't care, I'm Andrew Bynum. Get out of my way, I have handicap parking spots to double park in."

Probably the only cheap play in recent years that I can say is easily more pathetic than Wades dick kick.
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Re: Dwyane Wade suspended

Just watch that video for examples of Kobe being worse. The multiple elbows to the throat. Whatever the hell you want to call what he did to Battier there. I'm not going to search for examples of injuries Kobe has caused, if that's what you're asking for. While we're there, wasn't Jaric's nose broken after that, or was it Manu? In some of these instances I think it's an example of a guy's reputation shading your perception. I understand my credibility is tainted because I root for him, but I really believe even if it were Rondo or someone else making the play he did in the ASG I'd object to it being considered an intentional face strike.

Really I just think you're getting greedy and overreaching. We all accept Wade does gets nasty from time to time, but he's not a bone-breaking goon.
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You just went and explained how dirty Kobe is trying to elbow guys in the throat, but how poor misunderstood Wade was just the recipient of some unlucky plays.

Sounds unbiased to me.
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Re: Dwyane Wade suspended

No, just in the examples you're harping on. And "trying" to elbow guys in the throat? He succeeded on those. And let's not forget all of the face smacks in there (Jaric, Manu, Dirk).
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No, just in the examples you're harping on. And "trying" to elbow guys in the throat? He succeeded on those.
Succeeded like he meant to? Or succeeded like it was a total freak accident like it is any time Wade hurts someone on the court?
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I didnt watch it, But was the time Kobe broke mike millers face in that video?
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The clothesline elbow to the throat? Yes.
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Succeeded like he meant to? Or succeeded like it was a total freak accident like it is any time Wade hurts someone on the court?
Kobe was more or less facing all of those guys. Rondo was behind him and Kobe was facing the other way as Wade grappled him and his arm hit his face on the way down. He probably intended to take Rondo down, but those kinds of plays happen on post ups every game. Asserting he knew he'd hyper extend his arm is giving Wade too much credit.
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Kobe was more or less facing all of those guys. Rondo was behind him and Kobe was facing the other way as Wade grappled him and his arm hit his face on the way down. He probably intended to take Rondo down, but those kinds of plays happen on post ups every game. Asserting he knew he'd hyper extend his arm is giving Wade too much credit.
Ha ha.... Ok, so to clarify, evil Kobe meant it, but for Wade they're accidents.

Sounds extremely unbiased.
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Can't we all just agree that they're both major douchebags?

Actually, yes I think they both can be douchebags. But, this is the heat of competition at the highest level. It's to be expected.

What I'm trying to convey is that Kobe and other stars have done dirty shit. I don't think I need to make a list for everyone here but I'm sure I could.

Wade made a stupid decision to kick Sessions in the nuts. People are blowing it out of proportion though, just a little. This was hardly the "World Peace" KO on Harden.
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Ha ha.... Ok, so to clarify, evil Kobe meant it, but for Wade they're accidents.

Sounds extremely unbiased.
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