Re: TWITTER UPDATE: Phoenix, Memphis in Rudy Gay Trade Talks
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Always said results of NBA lockout will show in 2013. If you want to know why Griz trying to trade Rudy Gay, here's your answer: Luxury tax.
Re: TWITTER UPDATE: Phoenix, Memphis in Rudy Gay Trade Talks
Apparently Memphis wants Dudley + future picks. If we can somehow hold on to any valuable picks and send maybe the Minny/Memphis pick and/or Lakers pick then do it. I don't care about the cap implications.
Apparently Memphis wants Dudley + future picks. If we can somehow hold on to any valuable picks and send maybe the Minny/Memphis pick and/or Lakers pick then do it. I don't care about the cap implications.
Re: TWITTER UPDATE: Phoenix, Memphis in Rudy Gay Trade Talks
Not sure why the Suns even want Gay. They need to be acquiring as many 2014 picks as they can, not adding salary in Gay for a low priced, equally valuable player in Dudley.
Im sure Gay will help sell a few tickets, but I dont see free agents clamoring to play with him in Phoenix. Its a meh deal, as long as its the Memphis/Lakers pick. Any worthwhile 1st should be off limits.
Re: TWITTER UPDATE: Phoenix, Memphis in Rudy Gay Trade Talks
They're going to regret trading him if they do. This reminds me of wondering why the Celtics were so eager to get rid of Rondo
I know Gay's expensive but so what, pay him. I mean why did you pay him if now you don't want to pay him, he hasn't given any reason to show he's not worth the money. He's a dynamic wing player and if he was on another team he'd be getting numbers that demonstrate that. He plays LeBron particularly well, if you get to the finals that will matter.
They're going to regret that. I know he's expensive but pay him. He's a dynamic wing player and if he was on another team he'd be getting numbers that demonstrate that. He plays LeBron particularly well, if you get to the finals that will matter.
Sources told ESPN.com this week that the Raptors -- who tried to make a play for Gay before the 2012 NBA draft -- remain seriously "interested" in the Grizzlies' leading scorer and are trying to assemble trade packages to bring the 26-year-old to Toronto after preliminary talks with Memphis.
Among the trade chips that the Raptors are believed to be dangling, in addition to draft considerations, are veteran point guard Jose Calderon (who has an expiring contract worth $10.6 million) and young big man Ed Davis.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
I don't know how you're reading my post but I didn't say the Suns SHOULD do the Dudley, they should be trying to make it Beasley. But I was saying it doesn't make sense for the Grizzlies to take Beasley back. If I were in their shoes I would definitely say Dudley or bust. Because they have the Raptors as an insurance policy with Calderons huge expiring contract.
Prince, Maggette's expiring, and their lottery pick would probably get the job done. Memphis won't refuse, and Detroit shouldn't. I actually like that idea a lot for both teams.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
I like Rudy Gay to Toronto a lot. Lowry, Derozan, Ross, Gay and Jonas would be a fun group to build around and watch. Jose Calderon is probably gone at the end of the year anyways and although Ed Davis has really improved, it would still be worth the swap to bring in Rudy Gay.
I like Rudy Gay to Toronto a lot. Lowry, Derozan, Ross, Gay and Jonas would be a fun group to build around and watch. Jose Calderon is probably gone at the end of the year anyways and although Ed Davis has really improved, it would still be worth the swap to bring in Rudy Gay.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
I'm only fine with this deal for the Raptors if BC has a side trade worked out for Bargnani. Giving up Ed Davis plus future draft considerations is a risky move.
I took a lot of heat when I said that the Raptors are better with Bargnani out and Davis starting. But as everyone can see the Raptors are playing much, much better without him.
It's interesting but I'd have to know what picks would be involved. And I'm not really impressed with his contract either.
As a Raptors die hard I still don't know how I would feel if this trade happens. Hurts my brain to try and think about this too much, so I'm going to keep hoping for a Bargs trade and not think about this EVER AGAIN
Whether or not Gay to Toronto would be good in the long run is irrelevant cause I could see BC making the deal just to save his ass from getting fired.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
This is exactly what I am worried about. MLSE (Leafs/Raptors/TFC owners) are under new ownership and just fired Brian Burke (Leafs GM) out of the blue, which is probably going to make BC think they won't pick up his option unless he can show results.
I'd rather they just fire BC now and let a new guy come in and work without the fear of being fired after this season. Because this move puts Toronto as a 7th/8th seed at best for years to come. I'd rather suffer through a couple more losing seasons, than make a short sighted move like this.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
I think bargs is overrated and overpaid but his absence has coincided with Lowry's arrival. And the raptors need shooters to spread the floor. Gay DeRozan Lowry Fields aren't exactly known for their shooting ability.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
Yeah, for a franchise like the Raptors to land a big name free agent, its more likely they acquire one via trade.
Its the same reason that the Suns needed to make that trade for Harden. You get one legit star and the market becomes more attractive. Now, not saying that Toronto will be a destination like Phoenix could be, but you get my drift.
I dont think Gay puts the Raptors over the top, but talent is talent. The real problem would be that draft pick and where you envision Toronto being in the future. If that pick ends up being a lotto pick, the deal might not be worth it.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
It's a nice city (been there), but the problem with Toronto is the tax structure. Players that play in Canadian cities (at this point in time, Toronto is the only one in the league) are penalized more than any other player in the league due to the high tax rates in that country.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
Rudy Gay is not a number one scorer. He might be a number two but he is definitely a good #3. The thing in Toronto is that you don't have a #1, #2 or #3. Rudy Gay would solve that problem but as a Grizz fan who is aware of the cap implications of our contract situation I understand why we need to move him or someone else.
Rudy Gay is not a number one scorer. He might be a number two but he is definitely a good #3. The thing in Toronto is that you don't have a #1, #2 or #3. Rudy Gay would solve that problem but as a Grizz fan who is aware of the cap implications of our contract situation I understand why we need to move him or someone else.
The gulf between 8th and 9th seed in the East is large, not to mention they're competing to get handed by the Heat/Knicks come Playoffs. Gay is making no difference to that equation.
He is similar to DD as well, he struggles with the same facets of the game. (outside shooting, D, ball movement)
Yeah, I believe that the new agreement contains a provision to compensate the guys that play for Canuckian teams (just in case a franchise ever does go to Vancouver again) to help ameliorate the tax issues.
Re: UPDATE: Toronto and Phoenix Interested In Rudy Gay
Was hoping EH or Adam would come back, but I guess not.
Sure Derozan is tied for 22nd in the league for attempts, while being the leading scorer on his team, but hes a chucker.
He should be more like Paul George, who's universally praised.... oh wait, they take the same amount of shots per game, but Derozan averages more points at a better shooting percentage. Crazy.
Some times I just shake my head at the handful of posters around here like EH who thinks just because hes a blowhard it somehow speaks to his basketball knowledge. I've seen well over 10 Raptor games this year, but hey I'm sure he's seen more than that.
Its EH. He has no clue what he's talking about. He'll now proceed to talk down to everyone in the thread and make up weird crazy names.
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