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#49 ·
Re: TWITTER UPDATE: Phoenix, Memphis in Rudy Gay Trade Talks

I said back when Mike Conley got that extension it was going to cost them one or two other starters.
Someone bump that Conley thread (again).
 
#48 ·
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Apparently Memphis wants Dudley + future picks. If we can somehow hold on to any valuable picks and send maybe the Minny/Memphis pick and/or Lakers pick then do it. I don't care about the cap implications.
 
#50 ·
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Apparently Memphis wants Dudley + future picks. If we can somehow hold on to any valuable picks and send maybe the Minny/Memphis pick and/or Lakers pick then do it. I don't care about the cap implications.
Give them Beasley. Dudley is a quality player and a fan favorite. If we're going to help Memphis dump salary, we're not going to make them better too.
 
#51 ·
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I'm not surprised by Dudley's name getting in the mix. He has always been a Hollinger favorite.
 
#54 ·
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Not sure why the Suns even want Gay. They need to be acquiring as many 2014 picks as they can, not adding salary in Gay for a low priced, equally valuable player in Dudley.

Im sure Gay will help sell a few tickets, but I dont see free agents clamoring to play with him in Phoenix. Its a meh deal, as long as its the Memphis/Lakers pick. Any worthwhile 1st should be off limits.
 
#58 ·
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They're going to regret trading him if they do. This reminds me of wondering why the Celtics were so eager to get rid of Rondo

I know Gay's expensive but so what, pay him. I mean why did you pay him if now you don't want to pay him, he hasn't given any reason to show he's not worth the money. He's a dynamic wing player and if he was on another team he'd be getting numbers that demonstrate that. He plays LeBron particularly well, if you get to the finals that will matter.
 
#59 ·
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They're going to regret that. I know he's expensive but pay him. He's a dynamic wing player and if he was on another team he'd be getting numbers that demonstrate that. He plays LeBron particularly well, if you get to the finals that will matter.
But like 8 guys on the Internet say he sucks.


Trade him. Hollinger stats! PER!
 
#61 ·
Re: TWITTER UPDATE: Phoenix, Memphis in Rudy Gay Trade Talks

The Toronto Raptors are amongst the teams interested in trading for Rudy Gay should the Memphis Grizzlies decide to trade him, according to sources.

The Raptors have had preliminary talks with the Grizzlies.

Toronto is said to be offering a package centered around Jose Calderon, Ed Davis and future picks for Gay.

The Grizzlies are exploring trade scenarios for Gay, but have not yet determined if they will absolutely move him before the February deadline.

The Raptors tried to trade for Gay in June, even offering a package including their eighth overall pick that became Terrence Ross.

Via Marc Stein/ESPN
 
#63 ·
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Raptors want in on Rudy Gay chase

Sources told ESPN.com this week that the Raptors -- who tried to make a play for Gay before the 2012 NBA draft -- remain seriously "interested" in the Grizzlies' leading scorer and are trying to assemble trade packages to bring the 26-year-old to Toronto after preliminary talks with Memphis.

Among the trade chips that the Raptors are believed to be dangling, in addition to draft considerations, are veteran point guard Jose Calderon (who has an expiring contract worth $10.6 million) and young big man Ed Davis.
 
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I don't know how you're reading my post but I didn't say the Suns SHOULD do the Dudley, they should be trying to make it Beasley. But I was saying it doesn't make sense for the Grizzlies to take Beasley back. If I were in their shoes I would definitely say Dudley or bust. Because they have the Raptors as an insurance policy with Calderons huge expiring contract.
 
#73 ·
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I almost wonder if Detroit should get in on this with a package built around Prince, who no longer makes sense for them.
Prince, Maggette's expiring, and their lottery pick would probably get the job done. Memphis won't refuse, and Detroit shouldn't. I actually like that idea a lot for both teams.
 
#74 ·
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I like Rudy Gay to Toronto a lot. Lowry, Derozan, Ross, Gay and Jonas would be a fun group to build around and watch. Jose Calderon is probably gone at the end of the year anyways and although Ed Davis has really improved, it would still be worth the swap to bring in Rudy Gay.
 
#75 ·
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I like Rudy Gay to Toronto a lot. Lowry, Derozan, Ross, Gay and Jonas would be a fun group to build around and watch. Jose Calderon is probably gone at the end of the year anyways and although Ed Davis has really improved, it would still be worth the swap to bring in Rudy Gay.
TO seems dead set on dealing Jose (if rumors are to be believed), so this seems like a pretty good deal for them.

Also clearly puts the franchise guy tag on Gay, which hopefully takes pressure off of Bargs and he starts to play a little more consistent.
 
#76 ·
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I'm only fine with this deal for the Raptors if BC has a side trade worked out for Bargnani. Giving up Ed Davis plus future draft considerations is a risky move.

I took a lot of heat when I said that the Raptors are better with Bargnani out and Davis starting. But as everyone can see the Raptors are playing much, much better without him.

It's interesting but I'd have to know what picks would be involved. And I'm not really impressed with his contract either.

As a Raptors die hard I still don't know how I would feel if this trade happens. Hurts my brain to try and think about this too much, so I'm going to keep hoping for a Bargs trade and not think about this EVER AGAIN
 
#79 ·
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This is exactly what I am worried about. MLSE (Leafs/Raptors/TFC owners) are under new ownership and just fired Brian Burke (Leafs GM) out of the blue, which is probably going to make BC think they won't pick up his option unless he can show results.

I'd rather they just fire BC now and let a new guy come in and work without the fear of being fired after this season. Because this move puts Toronto as a 7th/8th seed at best for years to come. I'd rather suffer through a couple more losing seasons, than make a short sighted move like this.
 
#78 ·
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I think bargs is overrated and overpaid but his absence has coincided with Lowry's arrival. And the raptors need shooters to spread the floor. Gay DeRozan Lowry Fields aren't exactly known for their shooting ability.
 
#85 ·
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Yeah, for a franchise like the Raptors to land a big name free agent, its more likely they acquire one via trade.

Its the same reason that the Suns needed to make that trade for Harden. You get one legit star and the market becomes more attractive. Now, not saying that Toronto will be a destination like Phoenix could be, but you get my drift.

I dont think Gay puts the Raptors over the top, but talent is talent. The real problem would be that draft pick and where you envision Toronto being in the future. If that pick ends up being a lotto pick, the deal might not be worth it.
 
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It's a nice city (been there), but the problem with Toronto is the tax structure. Players that play in Canadian cities (at this point in time, Toronto is the only one in the league) are penalized more than any other player in the league due to the high tax rates in that country.
 
#88 ·
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Rudy Gay is not a number one scorer. He might be a number two but he is definitely a good #3. The thing in Toronto is that you don't have a #1, #2 or #3. Rudy Gay would solve that problem but as a Grizz fan who is aware of the cap implications of our contract situation I understand why we need to move him or someone else.
 
#89 ·
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Rudy Gay is not a number one scorer. He might be a number two but he is definitely a good #3. The thing in Toronto is that you don't have a #1, #2 or #3. Rudy Gay would solve that problem but as a Grizz fan who is aware of the cap implications of our contract situation I understand why we need to move him or someone else.
While I agree with this assessment, the problem is that Rudy doesn't.
 
#91 ·
Didn't the new agreement rectify that? (question)

The gulf between 8th and 9th seed in the East is large, not to mention they're competing to get handed by the Heat/Knicks come Playoffs. Gay is making no difference to that equation.

He is similar to DD as well, he struggles with the same facets of the game. (outside shooting, D, ball movement)
 
#97 ·
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Munro. Can you please give us a comprehensive list of all your nicknames so that we know who the **** you're talking about.

Alphabetical order and double spaced please. Thanks big guy.
How the hell could you not know who the Beard is? Have you not seen a Houston home game at all this year?
 
#103 ·
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Was hoping EH or Adam would come back, but I guess not.

Sure Derozan is tied for 22nd in the league for attempts, while being the leading scorer on his team, but hes a chucker.

He should be more like Paul George, who's universally praised.... oh wait, they take the same amount of shots per game, but Derozan averages more points at a better shooting percentage. Crazy.


Some times I just shake my head at the handful of posters around here like EH who thinks just because hes a blowhard it somehow speaks to his basketball knowledge. I've seen well over 10 Raptor games this year, but hey I'm sure he's seen more than that.
 
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