UPDATE: Gay to Raptors agreed in principle MERGED

[E.H. Munro]

Originally Posted by ChrisWoj

I think that Detroit still sees Knight as their PG of the future - but he's clearly not there yet. With regards to his development - I don't like this deal. He needs time developing as a point guard, learning to distribute the ball. He isn't big enough to be a combo guard. He IS however strong for his size, and getting stronger - and a not only good but improving AND interested (enthusiastic even) defensive player. So who knows, maybe he'll bulk up a bit more and do well in the role.

On the other hand - I will say that I *DO* enjoy the idea of Calderon on the Pistons. It isn't that I think he's a perfect fit or totally ideal - but I enjoy watching him play. I'll enjoy rooting for Jose Calderon in Detroit.

I actually like the deal for Detroit, having Calderon around will do wonders for Knight's game

[hobojoe]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

This video is the first thing I think of when I hear the name Rudy Gay. To me, his name is "****ing Rudy Gay, man", not "Rudy Gay".

[ChrisWoj]

Originally Posted by RollWithEm

The Pistons obviously didn't do this for Calderon. They did it to dump salary. That's it.

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I agree with you. But I think the fact that they were able to get someone that I know Joe Dumars has said in the past that he likes - and someone that fans in Detroit will definitely enjoy for his limited time in town - is a bonus. Calderon isn't going to be some major difference maker for this team long term, and probably won't lead them to the playoffs this year (barring something crazy) - but he's still going to be a lot of fun for fans to watch. And as has been said, he may rub off nicely on young Mr Knight.

We lost our Prince but we still have a Knight. Haha.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by hobojoe

This video is the first thing I think of when I hear the name Rudy Gay. To me, his name is "****ing Rudy Gay, man", not "Rudy Gay".

I'm the same way, makes me think about it every time too. Maybe moreso now that he's on the other team.

[TucsonClip]

Calderon + Monroe and Drummond = awesome

[GrandKenyon6]

This deal seems like a lose-lose for Toronto and Memphis.

Say what you want about Rudy Gay, but wing scoring is important and now they don't have that player who can create his own shot. Tayshaun Prince is not an adequate replacement.

As for Toronto...I don't get why you would trade a young big with potential on a rookie deal for a not quite star wing player on a maximum deal. They'll be better in the short term, but that contract will limit their flexibility.

[Marcus13]

^^^Agreed. This was just a bad trade all the way around. AT LEAST two of the teams shouldn't have accepted this, if not all three

[Bogg]

Colangelo was bound to make a "gotta save my job" move eventually, and he's going to find a Bargnani trade in the coming month as well. On the plus side, he only gave up an expiring and a journeyman to take a shot on an under-performing pseudo-star. However, it's looking like this team is going to wind up on the treadmill of trying to snag a bottom-four playoff seed and first-round exits even if things break their way.

[kbdullah]

Given that Toronto had already traded its pick in the Lowry deal, aren't they required to try to win sooner than later?

[Bogg]

If nothing else, the performance of the Grizz will be an interesting referendum on Hollinger and some of his analysis. Memphis should have, at minimum, wound up in the 4/5 matchup in the playoffs and made the second round(or come extremely close). Anything less is going to be a failure this season.

[RollWithEm]

If Memphis' track is Golden State and then LA Clippers or even San Antonio, I can still see this team making the conference finals.

[Marcus13]

''Shocked obviously,'' Prince said after the game. ''I didn't find out, obviously, until I got here. I'm shocked, but it's a business and you never know what's going to happen.''

How the hell do you embed on this board dang

[MemphisX]

Originally Posted by GrandKenyon6

This deal seems like a lose-lose for Toronto and Memphis.

Say what you want about Rudy Gay, but wing scoring is important and now they don't have that player who can create his own shot. Tayshaun Prince is not an adequate replacement.

As for Toronto...I don't get why you would trade a young big with potential on a rookie deal for a not quite star wing player on a maximum deal. They'll be better in the short term, but that contract will limit their flexibility.

I still don't get it with the Rudy Gay fantasy. There are plenty of players in the NBA who can do what Gay does. If you want to give a guy 16 shots a night and let him shoot 40%/31% with little play making and few FT attempts, the line to fill that vacancy would be long.

The deal is Gay was our 3rd maybe even 4th best player but was taking the most shots and shooting horribly. His salary in millions was higher then his PER. He is not a stellar defender nor does he play particularly hard all the time.

The Grizzlies got a 23 year old big that should be able to step in when ZBo slows down for him. They can also now use their MLE in the summer and resign Tony Allen, none of which would be possible with Gay on the team.

[RollWithEm]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

I still don't get it with the Rudy Gay fantasy. There are plenty of players in the NBA who can do what Gay does. If you want to give a guy 16 shots a night and let him shoot 40%/31% with little play making and few FT attempts, the line to fill that vacancy would be long.

The deal is Gay was our 3rd maybe even 4th best player but was taking the most shots and shooting horribly. His salary in millions was higher then his PER. He is not a stellar defender nor does he play particularly hard all the time.

The Grizzlies got a 23 year old big that should be able to step in when ZBo slows down for him. They can also now use their MLE in the summer and resign Tony Allen, none of which would be possible with Gay on the team.

And they are not necessarily in a worse situation moving forward this season.

[Bogg]

Originally Posted by MemphisX

The Grizzlies got a 23 year old big that should be able to step in when ZBo slows down for him.

I think that's overrating Davis quite a bit. He's a good third big. He might make a solid starter down the road. He's not "best player on a darkhorse contender" good.