Who's fault?: Kobe, D'Antoni, or entire team?

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by e-monk

Kobe's assists held the jazz to 84 points!

Sadly this just about sums up JBKB's point.

[e-monk]

I know - and let's ignore the fact that Durant and Westbrook clearly ball-hogged their team to defeat by shooting a combined 16 for 48

[Laker Freak]

Originally Posted by e-monk

Kobe's assists held the jazz to 84 points!

Sadly this is partially true. The Lakers are made up of a bunch of weak minded players who only try on defense when they are also involved in the offense. It's not a big shock that these guys start playing defense once they start getting more shot attempts.

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by Laker Freak

Sadly this is partially true. The Lakers are made up of a bunch of weak minded players who only try on defense when they are also involved in the offense. It's not a big shock that these guys start playing defense once they start getting more shot attempts.

I think we all know you're talking about Dwight but here's the thing - Dwight has averaged 11 shot attempts a game this year in an average of 35 mpg - in the Jazz game he took 12 attempts in 37 minutes and in the thunder game (albeit hampered by foul trouble (brought on by a couple questionable calls (pardon the editorializing)) he took 7 in 29 minutes which works out to be less than the 11 or 12 shots he usually takes in his average 35 minutes per game

so what has really changed?

[Laker Freak]

Originally Posted by e-monk

I think we all know you're talking about Dwight but here's the thing - Dwight has averaged 11 shot attempts a game this year in an average of 35 mpg - in the Jazz game he took 12 attempts in 37 minutes and in the thunder game (albeit hampered by foul trouble (brought on by a couple questionable calls (pardon the editorializing)) he took 7 in 29 minutes which works out to be less than the 11 or 12 shots he usually takes in his average 35 minutes per game

so what has really changed?

I wasn't just talking about Dwight... I was talking about the whole team besides Nash, Kobe and World Peace who come to play every night.

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by Laker Freak

I wasn't just talking about Dwight... I was talking about the whole team besides Nash, Kobe and World Peace who come to play every night.

actually metta has been one of the chief beneficiaries of Kobe's largesse as he's taken 30 shots in the last 2 games and averages 11 per game on the season, Nash's attempts are up significantly as well and Pau's attempts are actually down

[JBKB]

Turns out I was right about everything, at least if we go by what the media has been saying about Kobe.

Yep Irving and others who disagreed, it's as clear as ice that lately the media have REPEATEDLY called Kobe "unselfish" in his game. Why would they use the term "unselfish" if Kobe was never a selfish player? LOL : )

Virtually ALL of NBA media think it's intelligent that Kobe is passing more, and shooting less! It's exactly what I said too!: )

Now when Kobe passes more, they clearly play better basketball. This was evident most of the Suns game today, and the three games prior. However, when Kobe decided to no longer pass, sure enough he began missing tough shots.

As for MWP, why in the world is he taking so many threes? lol Does he really think he is that great of a three-point shooter? I can understand open looks, but he is shooting off the dribble, guarded or not. It could be argued that MWP lost the game with his reckless shooting. : )

Oh, and poor Steve Nash! Now that he's on the Lakers, his assists will go down because of you know whom! : )

@D'Antoni. Man up and coach! What purpose do you serve if Kobe controls how the game is run?

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by JBKB

Turns out I was right about everything, at least if we go by what the media has been saying about Kobe.

Oh wow...this should be fun...lets continue on shall we?

Originally Posted by JBKB

Yep Irving and others who disagreed, it's as clear as ice that lately the media have REPEATEDLY called Kobe "unselfish" in his game. Why would they use the term "unselfish" if Kobe was never a selfish player? LOL : )

...now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the media constantly calls Lebron that. I guess going by that argument, Lebron was a selfish player previously right?

Originally Posted by JBKB

Virtually ALL of NBA media think it's intelligent that Kobe is passing more, and shooting less! It's exactly what I said too!: )

Yea no they aren't. I've decided to watch some of these segments, and none of those people who have been giving Kobe praise for how well he's been giving his teammates involved recently have ever at any point stated that Kobe not getting his teammates involved as much was the reason for the Lakers troubles, something you clearly stated on numerous occasions.

Originally Posted by JBKB

Now when Kobe passes more, they clearly play better basketball. This was evident most of the Suns game today, and the three games prior. However, when Kobe decided to no longer pass, sure enough he began missing tough shots.

Wait what? They clearly play better basketball? Okay.

This shenanigans about Kobe suddenly passing more when he was passing more than enough through out his career started after the Bulls game. Now in those five games, the Lakers have averaged 99.4 points per game. Before that, the Lakers were averaging around the 103 mark.

So not only are you wrong in general about Kobe being the reason for the Lakers struggles, you are also wrong about the Lakers playing better when Kobe's passing more than shooting, seeing as to how the Lakers clearly score more per game when Kobe's taking the most shots on the team, something he didn't even do last night.

Now lets say you were right about that scenario, you'd still be wrong. You're claim was that Kobe was the reason for the Laker's struggles, when this is clearly not the case. You never will be right about that. Kobe is easily the best thing going for the Lakers at the moment, and it's probably going to stay that way unless some people on the roster step up or D'Antoni gets fired (which won't happen).

So please, don't claim you aren't right, next time actually know what your point was first before you decide to change what it was you were trying to say before.

[LA68]

A fish rots from the head.

This team was the premier franchise until two years ago. What changed ?

Ever since junior took over, they look like every other team making snap decisions and not thinking things through.

[JBKB]

Funny how the media trashed the Lakers for being three games under 500, going as far as saying they won't make the playoffs. Now the Lakers are SIX GAMES under 500 and the media are saying "The Lakers can do it!" The media will mess with your mind if you let them. : )

[e-monk]

wait for it....

[e-monk]

wait....

[e-monk]

BABY MADE A BOOM BOOM!!!

[Da Grinch]

its as simple as this ....the lakers are built to be a slow big half court team.

they have alot of new parts that need time to gell

they then fired their average coach who fit their team too quickly

they then hired a one dimensional uptempo coach who relies on his offensive system to make his players happy instead of communication skills.

so they are now trotting out an ill fitting, newly assembled team with a poor coach who only teaches one side of the court, without the benefit of training camp.

if it were the players attitude toward mike brown and his system, a new coach would have fixed it,

it clearly didn't because that wasn't the problem, they just needed time they had 7 holdovers from the previous season(kobe, pay mwp morris blake , eubanks and hill) and 8 new players, they now have a real problem, their coach doesn't teach defense , and their team is built to slow grind teams to death on the defensive end.

2 former dpoy's and kobe who's all 1st or 2nd defensive team for 12 straight years and they are trying to outscore teams and out gun them...they would have better off going for kidd at a fraction of the price than nash.

they might as well tank now and hope they can package their lottery pick for a last hurrah.

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by Da Grinch

its as simple as this ....the lakers are built to be a slow big half court team.

they have alot of new parts that need time to gell

they then fired their average coach who fit their team too quickly

they then hired a one dimensional uptempo coach who relies on his offensive system to make his players happy instead of communication skills.

so they are now trotting out an ill fitting, newly assembled team with a poor coach who only teaches one side of the court, without the benefit of training camp.

if it were the players attitude toward mike brown and his system, a new coach would have fixed it,

it clearly didn't because that wasn't the problem, they just needed time they had 7 holdovers from the previous season(kobe, pay mwp morris blake , eubanks and hill) and 8 new players, they now have a real problem, their coach doesn't teach defense , and their team is built to slow grind teams to death on the defensive end.

2 former dpoy's and kobe who's all 1st or 2nd defensive team for 12 straight years and they are trying to outscore teams and out gun them...they would have better off going for kidd at a fraction of the price than nash.

they might as well tank now and hope they can package their lottery pick for a last hurrah.

Everyone read this and take notes. You too JBKB.