Who's fault?: Kobe, D'Antoni, or entire team?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Adam

I said you could draft for his position with late first rounders and early second rounders. What happened last year Luke? The Heat won the championship with a PG tandem of Chalmers and Norris Cole.

What are Wade and Kobe's respective PER's and your own critical appraisal of Kobe's defense this year?

You said Chris Paul would be obsolete within five years because teams can pick up a guy like Norris cole in the draft. I'd bump the thread but it's not like you're going to post in it anyways.

And the heat won the ship with Mario playing a hell of a series. Oh, and he had the best perimeter player since Jordan, a declining but still effective top three shooting guard ever, an all star big, and role players playing out of their mind. But good try.


PER is retarded and says that Kevin love was almost as good as a prime Larry bird or Tim Duncan last year. Kobe's defense has slipped but he's been noticeably better than wade overall.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by Luke

You said Chris Paul would be obsolete within five years because teams can pick up a guy like Norris cole in the draft. I'd bump the thread but it's not like you're going to post in it anyways.

Bump it or talk about it here, what's the difference? I'm talking to you aren't I? I just don't care to respond to mindless twisting of my words that R-Star does and then when I correct him he keeps repeating the same stupid shit or putting me in his sig, so what's the point?

And the heat won the ship with Mario playing a hell of a series. Oh, and he had the best perimeter player since Jordan, a declining but still effective top three shooting guard ever, an all star big, and role players playing out of their mind. But good try.

So you can build a championship team while neglecting the PG position and supplanting with 2nd rounders? Thanks, I agree. Where did Chris Paul finish with his superstar PF and solid cast last season?

Yeah, I also said Kobe was no longer a top superstar player who influences his team's wins and losses. I didn't have to take that risk but that's what I believed and I put it out there. What's the Lakers' current record? Is Kobe impacting the wins and losses and is his team a contender?

If he was as good as you seem to think he easily could have run off with the best record or at least a top record and put himself in the category to win an MVP and I could be sitting here looking the fool. Did he? No.

I also said in that thread that you could replace Dwight Howard with DeAndre Jordan on a contending team and you wouldn't lose much. Do you disagree with that? I know you said that Dwight Howard was the 2nd best player in the Eastern Conference, so maybe you would disagree with that. However, I bet the Clippers wouldn't.

PER is retarded and says that Kevin love was almost as good as a prime Larry bird or Tim Duncan last year. Kobe's defense has slipped but he's been noticeably better than wade overall.

Except in wins and losses and stats. Last time I ranked Kobe (about a year ago), I had him as the 8th best player in the league. He's paid as the best player in the league. He's overrated by people like you. That's all.

[Jamel Irief]

Originally Posted by Adam

I said you could draft for his position with late first rounders and early second rounders. What happened last year Luke? The Heat won the championship with a PG tandem of Chalmers and Norris Cole.

What are Wade and Kobe's respective PER's and your own critical appraisal of Kobe's defense this year?

"Lebron James is the heat's point guard" -Adam

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-f...pg-league.html

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by Hyperion

Nothing at all, except for the fact that they're a terrible defensive team and if the game comes down to a single possession. What then? Trust their defense? HA! That's a recipe for going 1-4.

If it's the last posession, then yes, trust your defense. They have great defenders on their team, hell, they have a 11 time or w/e number it is all defensive player in Kobe Bryant and they have a three time defensive player of the year in Dwight Howard. Hell Ron Artest is a former Defensive player of the year himself. This team has great defensive players, but they have a horrible defensive coach.

[Diable]

Great defensive players aren't turned into terrible defenders by coaches. That's just nonsensical. The only thing you can blame D'antoni for is the pace that they play at and how it impacts their defense. That part he is to blame for, but anyone who says that the Lakers have a lot of great defenders must not been watching them lately. Those guys sucked on defense when Brown was coaching too.

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by Diable

Great defensive players aren't turned into terrible defenders by coaches. That's just nonsensical. The only thing you can blame D'antoni for is the pace that they play at and how it impacts their defense. That part he is to blame for, but anyone who says that the Lakers have a lot of great defenders must not been watching them lately. Those guys sucked on defense when Brown was coaching too.

If you just have guys go out there and do what ever they want on defense, without them adjusting at all to what others do defensively, that can ruin a team defensively. And no, great defensive players aren't turned into terrible defenders, but anyone who watches them knows that they are playing horribly defensively as a team, not individually. I don't have much memory of the Lakers that were coached by Mike Brown, I do know they were having issues defensively and I have no idea why. I'll have to go back and watch them. But regardless, this team is playing bad defense because they don't play like a team defensively, and when you have a coach who doesn't give a shit at all about defense as much as D'Antoni, that can have some bad results.

[MojoPin]

Last year's Mike Brown team played relatively consistent defense compared to Dantonis. You have to remember that they held OKC to low scores for most of that series, then imploded in the last 2 minutes with dumb turnovers.

[Da Grinch]

Originally Posted by Diable

Great defensive players aren't turned into terrible defenders by coaches. That's just nonsensical. The only thing you can blame D'antoni for is the pace that they play at and how it impacts their defense. That part he is to blame for, but anyone who says that the Lakers have a lot of great defenders must not been watching them lately. Those guys sucked on defense when Brown was coaching too.

coaching is a big part of defense in preparation and motivation, just the same as offense ...and its been proven time and again that coaches can have a big impact....that's why the really good ones get so much money.

[JBKB]

Today on First Take, Skip Bayless who thinks it is intelligent that Kobe is shooting less said this:

"Kobe averaged 22.1 shot attempts per game at the time the Lakers were 17 and 25. Now, Kobe has reduced his shooting to 15 attempts per game over the last 11 games, and the Lakers are 8 and 3 now that Kobe has reduced his shooting.

Now lets break down the three losses. They had the double digit lead on Phoenix, but blew it. They lost to Boston but Kobe also had zero assists. Finally, the lost to the Miami Heat was expected simply because they are the Heat."

[JET41]

The fault goes to all three. D'Antoni has to be a better coach, he has to adjust his system to the players... which is something he never really does but he needs to do whatever there is to win.
Kobe by now, knows when he gets like 5+ assist, the team has a better team to win because he gets his teammates more confidence and that means it's "team ball" not "I" ball. Although I do believe at times, he he does score 30+ it's because he's trying to bring his team back to win....
The team, everyone has to be more aggressive. Steve Nash needs to find a way to get the team more involved, he's the point guard. Dwight Howard needs to demand the ball when he's got it going. Pau Gasol needs to show up and play, every day. No nights off.
Earl Clark, keep seizing the moment.

Antawn Jamison was brought in to make the bench better, but we haven't seen more. Definitely shell of himself from his Cavs day.

Everyone can do better.

[NOFX22]

"They're really good at being athletic" -Mike D'antoni on the Nuggets

lol this dude is a clown.

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by NOFX22

"They're really good at being athletic" -Mike D'antoni on the Nuggets

lol this dude is a clown.

He's a effing joke. I still don't get how this guy has a coaching job.

[NOFX22]

My comment from another forum regarding how Kobe the most overrated player of all time:
if Kobe was drafted to Minnesota, and his frontline was Marc Jackson and Joe Smith, and his point guard was Troy Hudson and his 2nd best player was Wally Szerbiak, he'd be sporting the 5 rings?

Tell me, if Kobe was drafted to the Celtics instead of Pierce, he'd be snatching rings with Kenny Anderson and Antoine Walker?

Tell me, if Kobe had Vince Carter's teammates in Toronto and NJ, he'd be getting rings with Kenyon Martin or Antonio Davis his best low post player?

Tell me, if Kobe was in Philly, his "Hometown" (Even though real philly heads would slice his lower Marion face off if he showed up on the block).... he'd be getting rings with Tyrone Hill and Matt Gieger?

Why is Kobe considered the best player of the 2000ish?..... is it cause of his incredible bball all around skill, and IQ, his leadership, his consistent playoff greatness, his effeciency?..... pfffff.. Or is it cause he was: DRAFTED TO AN IDEAL FRANCHISE THAT: Surrounded him with INCREDIBLE talent, a 1st ballot HOF prime dominating Center and.. HAD A PROVEN MULTIPLE TITLE WINNING HOF COACH AND SYSTEM, that had already both been signed and sealed with winning reputations WITHOUT Kobe.....

Tell me. In 17 years, what are Kobe's NBA records?

What records does he hold?.... I need to know NOW. ... If he's a top 3-5 ALLTIME NBA player like some nutriders say. Surely he has an NBA record. Surely he's done something in the playoffs that has no equal. Right?..... top 5 alltime?.... what has he done that's transcended multiple generations

[Jace]

I didn't read the whole thing, but I agree. SVG was talking about this on Dan LeBatard's local radio show. Building a player up because of their ring count is simply celebrating that that player had good teammates. It doesn't directly relate to how great they were.

[Luke]

What has Kobe accomplished? A lot more than the entire clippers organization for starters.


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