Who's fault?: Kobe, D'Antoni, or entire team?

[Luke]

Still dodged my post.

But to eh - as a laker fan I wouldn't do that trade unless I knew for a fat Dwight would leave this summer. And I love horford. Even if this experiment continues to fail at the end of the day we'll still be rebuilding with the best center in the league once Kobe/Nash/pau are gone. I'd much rather us buy into dantoni's retarded philosophy and trade pau for d'antoni system guys.


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[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Luke

Still dodged my post.

But to eh - as a laker fan I wouldn't do that trade unless I knew for a fat Dwight would leave this summer. And I love horford. Even if this experiment continues to fail at the end of the day we'll still be rebuilding with the best center in the league once Kobe/Nash/pau are gone. I'd much rather us buy into dantoni's retarded philosophy and trade pau for d'antoni system guys.


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Howard isn't playing like the best center in the league though. He has nights where he's that guy, and other nights where he's disinterested and almost seems to be pouting.

[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by JBKB

Really! Did you watch the Bulls game? lol

Kobe is hurting his team with his horrible shooting and consistent shotjacking. However I will admit that other players on the Lakers suck like MWP. MWP thinks he has a 3-point shot and shoots it at the most inopportune times just praying it'll go in. lol

Rofl, one game and you're acting like it equates to an entire season. It doesn't. 46% isn't horrible shooting. He had one bad game. Don't act like he's been doing it all season because he hasn't. Your biased remarks towards Kobe need to stop now, and if I were you I would listen to Ron and stop the trolling asap. It's getting really old really quick.

Originally Posted by JBKB

@XxIRVINGxX!!

How ironic! I've been talking about Kobe's ballhogging and shotjacking. Sure enough instead of focusing on the upcoming Memphis Grizzlies, Kobe will be tweeting with the world about his 81 point game against the piece-of-cake Toronto Raptors. Go figure. : )

This is pretty much a perfect example of your constant trolling. "Kobe will be tweeting about his 81 point game" This is not something the people over on ESPN are doing. This is not something a good amount of people who watch basketball are doing. You are making idiotic claims that Kobe cares more about stats than he does winning, and then you point out that we have a problem with your opinions. I have news for you, that's not an opinion. Stating that someone cares more about their stats than they do winning is not an opinion, it's either a fact or a lie, and that sir is a lie. Even the people who hate Kobe know that the thing he cares about the most is winning. And yet here you are with literally no evidence what so ever stating this as if it is indeed a fact. And you wonder why we don't take you seriously.

Now I can't speak for everyone else on this site, but I don't have a problem with the fact that you dislike Kobe, I don't have a problem with the fact that in your opinion, Kobe is the reason for the Lakers troubles. The problem that I have here is the fact that your "reasons" for blaming him are not only not even close to being true, but they scream anti Kobe in every way that it makes us wonder if you really do just hate Kobe, because believing that you like him right now is very hard for us to believe. And above all of that, your opinions are still very questionable. Kobe is the only out there giving effort on both ends of the floor on a consistent basis. His FG% has been good and he has been having one of the best offensive seasons of his career since his amazing 35 point per game season. But here you are making these idiotic claims that his horrible shooting is costing the Lakers, when he is in fact having a great shooting season.

You want to blame Kobe? Fine, but have actual reasoning, not non existent ones like the bullshit you've been giving us. Otherwise I strongly suggest you don't say much anymore unless you want whats coming to you.

[e-monk]

Kobe is playing too many minutes and losing his legs as the season progress meanwhile the offense is digressing to the point where I miss Mike Brown, no one is buying in, there's dissension in the locker room - I was initially ok with the D'Antoni hiring or at least I was willing to give him a chance and felt the talk of Phil Jackson was knee jerk and that he was too worn out and part time but now I acknowledge it couldnt have been any worse

but I still blame Doctor Drippy (also David Stern for putting the kibosh on the Paul deal)

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by e-monk

Kobe is playing too many minutes and losing his legs as the season progress meanwhile the offense is digressing to the point where I miss Mike Brown, no one is buying in, there's dissension in the locker room - I was initially ok with the D'Antoni hiring or at least I was willing to give him a chance and felt the talk of Phil Jackson was knee jerk and that he was too worn out and part time but now I acknowledge it couldnt have been any worse

but I still blame Doctor Drippy (also David Stern for putting the kibosh on the Paul deal)

Even if LA somehow miraculously made the playoffs, they're going to run Kobe into the ground by that point.

I've been against trading Gasol purely because I don't like him being scape goated. But at this point you need a trade if only to shake the team up and hope a few players wake up and start playing on both ends.

[E.H. Munro]

Originally Posted by e-monk

but I still blame Doctor Drippy (also David Stern for putting the kibosh on the Paul deal)

Ironically the best offer that the Hornets got for Paul was Boston's, a trade that became impossible after Demps' original "Please hire me after I get fired here?" trade.

[e-monk]

Originally Posted by R-Star

I've been against trading Gasol purely because I don't like him being scape goated. But at this point you need a trade if only to shake the team up and hope a few players wake up and start playing on both ends.

nah I wouldnt at this point as you may need Pau as your center after this summer - a Howard S&T is a very real possibility

and I'd rather have Pau for a season (and his conveniently expiring in 2014 contract) at center for a year than about 2/3s of what other teams have out there

[Luke]

Originally Posted by R-Star

Howard isn't playing like the best center in the league though. He has nights where he's that guy, and other nights where he's disinterested and almost seems to be pouting.

It's his worst year since 2007 no doubt, an I've been very vocal of my frustrations with the guy, but who at the position has been better? I guess you could call Duncan a center? I don't know.


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[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Luke

It's his worst year since 2007 no doubt, an I've been very vocal of my frustrations with the guy, but who at the position has been better? I guess you could call Duncan a center? I don't know.


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That's fair. There are guys I think have played much better defense than him, but if you look at it as a total package I'd have to agree he's the best 5 in the league even when underperforming.

[Luke]

Defensively I'd give the nod to chandler as best in the league. There are others that have been performing as well or even better in that facet of the game though.


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[R-Star]

Like Roy Hibbert.

[Luke]

You could throw him in there. Along with guys like Noah, Marc gasol, Duncan etc.


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[doctordrizzay]

Originally Posted by R-Star

Its up to D'Antoni to tell everyone who gets to shoot. If Kobes it out there chucking and not listening to D'Antoni, that's the coaches fault for not being able to coach the players.

And where's the blame for supposed DPOY Dwight Howard? Hes playing like an average center for the most part, is top 10 in tech's, and tied for 1st on ejections.

And what of Steve Nash?


The fact everyone keeps trying to put this squarely on Kobe is funny to me. Especially when you can see most of the time he's one of the only guys out there who actually gives a ****. Dwight is all smiles even in blow outs. Unless he misses a play on defense, or misses a layup. Then hes screaming and crying to refs.

Kinda hard for Nash and Dwight to be effective when Kobe doesnt give them the ball. Kobe's throwing up 32 shots while dwight is getting 5...you know the guy who stands UNDER the rim. And it's kind of hard for Nash to facilitate when he doesn't have the Ball. Kobe should be nowhere near the top of the league for usage rate with the teammates he has.

The guy is a false superstar, this fanboyism has to stop. It's over, Kobe is a chucker and actually makes his team worse than better. It's a fact.

And don't get me started on his "defense"...He's about has lazy as it gets.

[Luke]

Five championships and seven finals appearances bro. You guys remind me of the guys on realgm who try and discredit bird by saying he's a choker because he shot poorly in some playoff games. A legend is a legend, period.


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[doctordrizzay]

Originally Posted by Luke

Five championships and seven finals appearances bro. You guys remind me of the guys on realgm who try and discredit bird by saying he's a choker because he shot poorly in some playoff games. A legend is a legend, period.


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Ah yes the typical Kobe fan "argument" 5 RINGS 5 RINGS 5 RINGS.

Derek Fisher also has 5 rings so he must be 5 times better than John Stockton right?

But wait Robert Horry has 7 rings! he must be better than MJ!


#Kobefanlogic.