Who's fault?: Kobe, D'Antoni, or entire team?

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by doctordrizzay

Kinda hard for Nash and Dwight to be effective when Kobe doesnt give them the ball. Kobe's throwing up 32 shots while dwight is getting 5...you know the guy who stands UNDER the rim. And it's kind of hard for Nash to facilitate when he doesn't have the Ball. Kobe should be nowhere near the top of the league for usage rate with the teammates he has.

The guy is a false superstar, this fanboyism has to stop. It's over, Kobe is a chucker and actually makes his team worse than better. It's a fact.

And don't get me started on his "defense"...He's about has lazy as it gets.

Actually, Dwight is shooting 10.4 shots a game. .8 under his career average, and 3 shots less a game than his highest usage years where he was the #1 option on Orlando. So no, not 5 like you said.


And its clear you haven't seen a Lakers game if you're saying Nash doesn't get the ball.


Maybe watch a game or two before opening your mouth, Drippy.

[Luke]

Five rings, two as the undisputed best player and three as the best second banana ever. Slightly different situation kid


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[XxIrvingxX]

Originally Posted by doctordrizzay

Kinda hard for Nash and Dwight to be effective when Kobe doesnt give them the ball. Kobe's throwing up 32 shots while dwight is getting 5...you know the guy who stands UNDER the rim. And it's kind of hard for Nash to facilitate when he doesn't have the Ball. Kobe should be nowhere near the top of the league for usage rate with the teammates he has.

The guy is a false superstar, this fanboyism has to stop. It's over, Kobe is a chucker and actually makes his team worse than better. It's a fact.

And don't get me started on his "defense"...He's about has lazy as it gets.

Is that why Jennings called him one of the best defenders he's ever played against before?

I'm not even going to deal with the rest of your dumbass post. I've had enough trouble putting up with one I don't need to put up with two trolls.

[roux2dope]

Im not an avid Laker watcher but from the games i have seen it pretty much goes on kobe.. i have seen a couple games this year where he has shot the ball 30 times and the lakers lose.. i dont know if its lack of good ball movement (which i guess could be blamed on d'antoni as well) but if kobe is on the lakers have a good chance to win, when he is off/innefficient they are going to lose...hence them hovering around .500

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by roux2dope

Im not an avid Laker watcher but from the games i have seen it pretty much goes on kobe.. i have seen a couple games this year where he has shot the ball 30 times and the lakers lose.. i dont know if its lack of good ball movement (which i guess could be blamed on d'antoni as well) but if kobe is on the lakers have a good chance to win, when he is off/innefficient they are going to lose...hence them hovering around .500

That's on the coach then. If Kobe is off and shooting them out of games (hardly ever been the case when I watch), then D'antoni should get the ball out of his hands and into Nashs to set up plays.

[roux2dope]

Originally Posted by R-Star

That's on the coach then. If Kobe is off and shooting them out of games (hardly ever been the case when I watch), then D'antoni should get the ball out of his hands and into Nashs to set up plays.

Yeah.. i dont think letting kobe carry your offense is a bad thing, but sometimes itsa seems like they forget that they have 3 other future hall of famers on their team.. i guess my point is Kobe shouldnt be having to shot the ball 30 times in any game with that kind of talent around him

[Luke]

The offense SHOULD go through Nash and Dwight with Kobe as their weapon. But Dwight has been inconsistent, pau has been useless and Nash should be more aggressive.


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[R-Star]

Originally Posted by roux2dope

Yeah.. i dont think letting kobe carry your offense is a bad thing, but sometimes itsa seems like they forget that they have 3 other future hall of famers on their team.. i guess my point is Kobe shouldnt be having to shot the ball 30 times in any game with that kind of talent around him

Howard seems like he has games where he goes off and is a focal point, and games where he's underused and plays like shit. Not sure why that is, but he looks lethargic during those games and I can't see Kobe saying "Well I let Dwight get the glory last game, its Kobe time tonight!"

Plus Nash just isn't playing all that great. The Lakers have never been a very good system for points. I know its a different offense and all, but the point remains. I questioned the whole addition of Nash when it happened because Kobe has the ball in his hands far too much to bring in a guy who thrives off being the primary facilitator.


And Gasol isn't going to help much because when he does have a big game, they bench him the next.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

Is that why Jennings called him one of the best defenders he's ever played against before?

MWP thinks some guy from his block in Queens was the best player he ever played against (he also said Brandon Roy was better than Kobe). Isiah Thomas did Isiah Thomas things. Michael Jordan is the Isiah Thomas of Isiah Thomas GM's.

[JBKB]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

Rofl, one game and you're acting like it equates to an entire season. It doesn't. 46% isn't horrible shooting. He had one bad game. Don't act like he's been doing it all season because he hasn't. Your biased remarks towards Kobe need to stop now, and if I were you I would listen to Ron and stop the trolling asap. It's getting really old really quick.



This is pretty much a perfect example of your constant trolling. "Kobe will be tweeting about his 81 point game" This is not something the people over on ESPN are doing. This is not something a good amount of people who watch basketball are doing. You are making idiotic claims that Kobe cares more about stats than he does winning, and then you point out that we have a problem with your opinions. I have news for you, that's not an opinion. Stating that someone cares more about their stats than they do winning is not an opinion, it's either a fact or a lie, and that sir is a lie. Even the people who hate Kobe know that the thing he cares about the most is winning. And yet here you are with literally no evidence what so ever stating this as if it is indeed a fact. And you wonder why we don't take you seriously.

Now I can't speak for everyone else on this site, but I don't have a problem with the fact that you dislike Kobe, I don't have a problem with the fact that in your opinion, Kobe is the reason for the Lakers troubles. The problem that I have here is the fact that your "reasons" for blaming him are not only not even close to being true, but they scream anti Kobe in every way that it makes us wonder if you really do just hate Kobe, because believing that you like him right now is very hard for us to believe. And above all of that, your opinions are still very questionable. Kobe is the only out there giving effort on both ends of the floor on a consistent basis. His FG% has been good and he has been having one of the best offensive seasons of his career since his amazing 35 point per game season. But here you are making these idiotic claims that his horrible shooting is costing the Lakers, when he is in fact having a great shooting season.

You want to blame Kobe? Fine, but have actual reasoning, not non existent ones like the bullshit you've been giving us. Otherwise I strongly suggest you don't say much anymore unless you want whats coming to you.

It's funny that you keep saying I'm biased solely towards Kobe when I have over and over also put the blame on Nash, MWP, and Dwight Howard.

I'll repeat: Nash needs to shoot more when he has the opportunity considering he is a great shooter. Dwight Howard needs to learn how to do more than just dunk, and actually learn how to shoot free throws since he will spend the majority of his career at the line. Metta World Peace needs to stop getting HOTHEADED and taking threes when he's barely wide open. Just because you hit one three MWP, it doesn't mean you will hit the next five. You are not Steve Kerr or Ray Allen.

Finally, I discuss Kobe. I put lots of blame on Kobe because he is "the leader" of the team. Yes, it is "my opinion" and many many others' opinion that Kobe should pass the ball more. If "I personally" were an NBA coach, I would bench Kobe if he doesn't become more of a team player. As a coach, I would want all my players receiving touches. I don't want my players receiving touches only when there is 7 seconds left on the clock and Kobe is jammed. Full ball movement would be my key to success. The Lakers lack full ball movement because Kobe is too eager to shoot instead of pass. Kobe can be 4 for 20, with his team losing in double digits, yet he'll still shoot! lol

[King Sancho Fantastic]

3-4 of the shots Kobe takes every game are bailout dump offs with 4 seconds left on the clock. Should Kobe be blamed for those too? If he makes them, nobody gives a ****, but if he miss then its "Oh! Why is Kobe shooting so much?! What a ball hog!" Its the same bullshit excuse people have been making his entire career. If shots aren't being distributed properly then the blame goes to Nash and Dantoni.

[doctordrizzay]

Originally Posted by XxIrvingxX

Is that why Jennings called him one of the best defenders he's ever played against before?

I'm not even going to deal with the rest of your dumbass post. I've had enough trouble putting up with one I don't need to put up with two trolls.

oooooh 1 NBA player out of 500 said that about Kobe. If Jennings tells you to jump off a bridge would you?

Lmao at this kid bringing up Jennings as a credible source for defense. Kobe is garbage on D, I watch the game's he bring's nothing to the table especially off-ball help D.

He's pure trash, I mean he has 4 Hall of famers on his team and he can't make them better, he makes them worse.

[GrandKenyon6]

The blame is clearly on all of them.

But it's funny to me how Lakers fans keep absolving Kobe of all blame and scream 'it's the defense, it's the defense!'.

The offense affects the defense. A lot of defense is about effort, and from much of what I've seen the effort just isn't there. When one guy monopolizes the ball for entire possessions and takes contested fadeaways, even if he's making them, it's going to affect the effort of other players. Even if the Lakers are scoring well, it's just not good basketball when players like Howard and Gasol are being largely ignored. The team isn't playing together and it's on both Kobe and D'Antoni to move the ball. And Kobe hasn't been giving the effort on defense either. In fact, he's been putrid (that one Brandon Jennings tweet notwithstanding). Corey Brewer, Arron Afflalo, and other average wing players have just torched him this year. He sags off his man, gambles, and roams around instead of actually defending his man. The blame is on all of them.

IMHO, the Lakers should be playing inside-out basketball. Not because Dwight is the best offensive player, but because playing inside-out slows the game down and the only way the Lakers are going to stop anyone is if they control the pace. They're too old and unathletic to be playing the way they're playing.

[e-monk]

I actually created a thread calling Kobe out for his poor off the ball defense just last week

[e-monk]

also Dwight isnt establishing or holding position and nash is turing the ball over trying to get it into him so try watching the games