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Old 01-29-2013, 02:22 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:50 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I have no idea what TS%, eFG% and PER are. I know the concept of what they are (for instance PER is supposed to be a single metric to tell you how good a player is) but I don't know details. Everytime I say that someone either tries to educate or link me, and I gloss right over it.

I guess I'm saying I don't know and don't care.

I don't fully understand those either, just have a vague understanding that it shows a 'true shooting % and/or efficiency'

I wish there would be somebody that can explain it without getting all mathematical.
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:03 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I don't fully understand those either, just have a vague understanding that it shows a 'true shooting % and/or efficiency'

I wish there would be somebody that can explain it without getting all mathematical.
efg% gives doesn't penalize 3 point shooters.

For example a player goes 6/10 on layups that's 12 points and 60%

Another player goes 4/10 but they are all 3 point attempts. He's still getting his team the same amount of points (12) so his efg% would also be 60%

If you went by regular FG% the first player would be looked as a 60% shooter while the second would only be at 40% even though they both produced the same amount of points for their team.
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efg% gives doesn't penalize 3 point shooters.

For example a player goes 6/10 on layups that's 12 points and 60%

Another player goes 4/10 but they are all 3 point attempts. He's still getting his team the same amount of points (12) so his efg% would also be 60%

If you went by regular FG% the first player would be looked as a 60% shooter while the second would only be at 40% even though they both produced the same amount of points for their team.
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I don't fully understand those either, just have a vague understanding that it shows a 'true shooting % and/or efficiency'

I wish there would be somebody that can explain it without getting all mathematical.
eFG% is a measure of the points produced by the shots you take. Shots from 23' go in less often than shots from 12'. But that 23 footer is worth an extra point. So, if DeMar DeRozan shoots 4/10 and Kyle Korver shoots 4/10 from behind the arc, have they had the same shooting night? One of those guys produced 12 points and the other eight, even though they both shot .400 from the field. Whether you want to divide the number of three pointers half and add it to the made FGs or subtract made free throws from points scored, divide that by two and the result by FGA the result is the same.

I'm not wild about true shooting percentage as it's just scoring efficiency divided by two.
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Well damn it. I took the time to read Munros post and now I know what eFG% is. Now when people quote it in response to me I have to acknowledge it.
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What about TS?

What's the logic behind dividing it by 2?
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I have no idea what TS%, eFG% and PER are. I know the concept of what they are (for instance PER is supposed to be a single metric to tell you how good a player is) but I don't know details. Everytime I say that someone either tries to educate or link me, and I gloss right over it.

I guess I'm saying I don't know and don't care.
PER is debatable for numerous reasons as it's based on some subjective assumptions related to the value of various stats while ignoring others completely

but efg and ts really arent

all efg does is says something along the lines of if you take 100 shots inside the arc and make 43 of them your efforts were worth 86 points and if you take and make the same shots outside the arc your efforts are worth 129 points which shows the real value of three point shots (shooting 34% from behind the arc is slightly better than shooting 50% within it - basic scoreboard)

ts is similar but adds the value of being able to get to the line and make ftas into the mix

if the question is who is the more efficient scorer these stats are the answer
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oops, missed ehm's post - think I have him on ignore

@dee-zy it's actually divided by (2*tsa) which breaks down FG attempts and FT attempts and therefore takes into account attempts and trips to the line - this factor in part is why shaq's ts% is not all that much higher than his efg (and in some seasons lower): while he got alot of points at the line he missed out on a lot more
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Damn I have been looking into the PER and **** is it complex.

But what I have noticed is it of course is offense oriented. How cool would it be if a defensive stat was created like PPG against.
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Damn I have been looking into the PER and **** is it complex.

But what I have noticed is it of course is offense oriented. How cool would it be if a defensive stat was created like PPG against.

82games.com has that stat available. I'd post a link but I'm posting from my phone right now.
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82games.com has that stat available. I'd post a link but I'm posting from my phone right now.
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