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Old 01-31-2013, 02:06 PM   #61 (permalink)
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GREAT EXAMPLE! Thank you! : )

In this case it does not mean Player A with 23 PPG is a better scorer than Player B with 17 PPG. How many times have we heard "stats don't tell everything." If stats told everything, then Robert Horry is better than Michael Jordan, and every other player with less than 7 rings.

Therefore, we have to "interpret" stats. Some stats are easier to interpret than others. efg% is nearly impossible to interpret.

However, your example here can be interpreted given the well defined scenario. If Player A's teammates are great screeners than Player B's teammates, then that will allow Player A to make more shots than Player B.

BUT, over the course of a long NBA career, even comparing the PPG stat between two players is nearly impossible. All you can do is watch the game and enjoy. Don't get bogged down on stats because they are almost always invalid to use for comparing the better of two players.

If Rondo's teammates were poor shooters, wouldn't that make his assists go down? What if Rondo and Paul were at equal skill in assisting. However, Rondo has a team of great shooters, and Chris Paul has a team of poor shooters. In the long run, Rondo would surpass Paul in assists not because he is better, but because his teammates can shoot!

Finally, assists is just "AN OPINION" of a worthy stat. It is theoretically possible to win a game of basketball with zero assists. Don't get bogged down with stats. lol
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And that's exactly what makes efg% an invalid stat.

It's not important to know who has the higher efg%; it's more important to know "WHY" a player has a higher efg% than the other. That requires dissecting the many thousands of scenarios that occur throughout a season that allows one player to have a higher efg% than another. This dissection of variables is impossible for a human!

However, once the variables are understood, then you can make a sound conclusion on which player is better. If this is accomplished, you will find many cases in which the person with the higher efg% is worse than the player you are using for comparison. This would only prove that the stat is meaningless.
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:18 PM   #63 (permalink)
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lol This is hilarious, but I'm not trolling. Though, I will admit that my NBA thinking is not the norm.

Forget about efg%!

Anyone! Just use the Rajon Rondo scenario about assists:

Rondo vs Paul. Say they are of equal skill in assists.

Rondo: Team with excellent shooters.
Paul: Team with horrible shooters.

Are you telling me that Rondo wouldn't win in the long run with assists? Therefore, when ESPN and the NBA show assists stats, many viewers would right away say "Oh, Rondo is better than Chris Paul at assisting." However, an intelligent viewer would say "BUT WAIT, Rondo's teammates can shoot well! Chris Paul should have already surpassed Rondo if only Paul's teammates hit their so many wide open shots."

Stats have to be interpreted carefully!
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lol This is hilarious, but I'm not trolling. Though, I will admit that my NBA thinking is not the norm.

Forget about efg%!

Anyone! Just use the Rajon Rondo scenario about assists:

Rondo vs Paul. Say they are of equal skill in assists.

Rondo: Team with excellent shooters.
Paul: Team with horrible shooters.

Are you telling me that Rondo wouldn't win in the long run with assists? Therefore, when ESPN and the NBA show assists stats, many viewers would right away say "Oh, Rondo is better than Chris Paul at assisting." However, an intelligent viewer would say "BUT WAIT, Rondo's teammates can shoot well! Chris Paul should have already surpassed Rondo if only Paul's teammates hit their so many wide open shots."

Stats have to be interpreted carefully!
We are talking about efg%, not assists.

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Oh! How rude of me! : ) lol

My confession is that I once didn't know that some people had argued Kevin Love INFLATED his rebounding stats. It was said that his Love's teammates were so used to Kevin going for the rebounds, that even in situations where Love's teammates were in reach for a rebound, Love's teammates would ignore the rebounding opportunity and let Love rack up on rebounds.

Love is a great player, but I question the credibility of his rebounding statistics if this is deemed true.
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Oh! How rude of me! : ) lol

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Re: Your NBA confessions, what don't you know?

You could try to figure out a stat that represented who the better shooter was in a vacuum, regardless of other in-game variables, but what would be the point? Once you did that, you'd still want to know how the player would perform in a game situation, decision-making and other factors included, which eFG% captures.
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This is why I still think this might be a troll account. Does anybody notice R-Star's conspicuous absence these last few days?
Ron already checked it with everyone's accounts, no identical IP addresses apparently.
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How can you quickly decide "you have to acknowledge it when people quote it" if you don't fully understand efg%, nor if it is valid? An intelligent thinker would never take efg% seriously because it's an invalid stat. lol There are too many variables in basketball to take such a stat seriously when it comes to comparing which player is better.

Now, I'll give you a really easy scenario to show you the stupidity of the efg% stat:

Say Kobe Bryant hits a shot worth two points and takes no more shots. Now say Ray Allen hits a three-pointer and takes no more shots. Kobe is 1 for 1, and Ray is 1 for 1. Based on efg%, Kobe efg% is 100%, and Ray's is 150%.

Does this really mean Ray played a better game than Kobe? Lets say that Kobe was double-teamed and hit an extremely tough shot to make his two points. However, Ray Allen had the luxury of being wide open because Lebron James was double teamed in the paint. Therefore Ray got an easy three points.

The Kobe/Ray Allen example is only one scenario, but in four quarters of basketball, hundreds of different scenarios occur to explain why a player efg% is lower than another's. Player A and Player B can be of equal skill, but if Player A's teammates have sloppy ballhandling that leads to easy fastbreak baskets for Player B, then Player B will have a higher efg% than Player A even if Player A played a perfect game. Player A could have very well played a far better game than Player B even though Player A had a lower efg%.

The stat is not valid in comparing which player is better. It's basically a meaningless stat. Here's another meaningless stat that I'm making up off the top of my head:

(Points + rebounds + steals) / (Fouls + minutes played*dunks)

Ok, I made a stat that can easily be calculated, but what does it mean? Nothing! Just like the efg%.


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Ron already checked it with everyone's accounts, no identical IP addresses apparently.
how do you know that? Irving are you JBKB (Just Bench Kobe Bryant)? Sad your boy talked trash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-PJsWfAYY then couldn't deliver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI7_McRVkG8

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how do you know that? Irving are you JBKB (Just Bench Kobe Bryant)? Sad your boy talked trash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-PJsWfAYY then couldn't deliver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI7_McRVkG8

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I know, in fact he tried going one on one against Kobe in a game against the Lakers at home, Kobe blocked the shit out of him and I couldn't stop laughing even though I was rooting for him lol.
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This is why I still think this might be a troll account. Does anybody notice R-Star's conspicuous absence these last few days?
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