Is Kareem the greatest player of all-time?

[Mattsanity]

-6 championships
-6 MVPs
-most career points
-decorated college player
-longevity

I've always thought Jordan was the greatest, but I've been reading about Kareem Abdul Jabbar and people have said he deserves more recognition by being considered the greatest.

[Floods]

no

[Luke]

You could certainly make an argument. He's one of a few guys that I wouldn't argue for or against.


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[Floods]

Originally Posted by Luke

You could certainly make an argument.

Oh really.

[Luke]

Nobody can hold Jordan's jockstrap! Scoring titles!


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[Floods]

Great argument.

[Knick Killer]

I just can't put him ahead of Wilt or MJ. Can't do it.

[JBKB]

OH, so no one called this a troll thread? lol Do I suspect favoritism for certain posters? I'm quite sure if a no-name poster posed this same question, he or she would quickly be labeled troll. lol

Anyway, in case the original poster is not trolling, I would like to know why would you factor in "championships?"

If we factor in championships, then doesn't that put Robert Horry in the discussion of greatest of all time?

[Jamel Irief]

Originally Posted by JBKB

OH, so no one called this a troll thread? lol Do I suspect favoritism for certain posters? I'm quite sure if a no-name poster posed this same question, he or she would quickly be labeled troll. lol

Anyway, in case the original poster is not trolling, I would like to know why would you factor in "championships?"

If we factor in championships, then doesn't that put Robert Horry in the discussion of greatest of all time?

How could this be considered a troll thread? Tons of people smarter than
you and I would call him the greatest.


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[JBKB]

Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

How could this be considered a troll thread? Tons of people smarter than
you and I would call him the greatest.


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Well I question if it is a troll thread because pretty much everyone considers Michael Jordan to be the greatest of all time. For that reason alone, it makes readers question whether or not this poster is serious, or is he just trying to get a huge reaction out of die-hard Jordan fans while he sits back laughing and eating a buttery bowl of popcorn.

Anyway, I have noticed that certain posters can make threads that could be questioned as troll threads and get away with it simply because they are more popular than others. No big deal though.

Back to the question at hand. You're right! I never understood myself why Michael Jordan is greatest of all time without a thorough debate. Michael Jordan himself even considered his brother Larry Jordan to be far better than him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but even in his prime, Michael Jordan never once beat Larry Jordan in a one-on-one game.

Larry Jordan could have easily been an NBA player, but a life of basketball was simply a lifestyle he was not interested in pursuing.

[Mattsanity]

I also think Jordan is the greatest, but I just wanted to incite a discussion. There was no hidden agenda with this thread.

[PauloCatarino]

Originally Posted by Mattsanity

-6 championships
-6 MVPs
-most career points
-decorated college player
-longevity

I've always thought Jordan was the greatest, but I've been reading about Kareem Abdul Jabbar and people have said he deserves more recognition by being considered the greatest.

If one considers also his College career (which, IIRC, is the greatest amongst the 4, 5 players people talk about being the GOAT) then yes, he is in the discussion as the Greatest Ever.

[Da Grinch]

Originally Posted by JBKB

Well I question if it is a troll thread because pretty much everyone considers Michael Jordan to be the greatest of all time. For that reason alone, it makes readers question whether or not this poster is serious, or is he just trying to get a huge reaction out of die-hard Jordan fans while he sits back laughing and eating a buttery bowl of popcorn.

Anyway, I have noticed that certain posters can make threads that could be questioned as troll threads and get away with it simply because they are more popular than others. No big deal though.

Back to the question at hand. You're right! I never understood myself why Michael Jordan is greatest of all time without a thorough debate. Michael Jordan himself even considered his brother Larry Jordan to be far better than him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but even in his prime, Michael Jordan never once beat Larry Jordan in a one-on-one game.

Larry Jordan could have easily been an NBA player, but a life of basketball was simply a lifestyle he was not interested in pursuing.

thats not true at all

michael couldn't beat his brother until he had his growth spurt after that MJ always won.

and larry did pursue a career in basketball but he was 5'8 or so , he did make that league for short guys in the early 90's

"For his prize, he got to go to Mickey Owens baseball camp," Larry said. "Then, when I was 13 and Michael was 12, our Little League baseball coach got us involved on our first organized basketball team."

But the one-on-one battles continued.

"I won most of them until he started to outgrow me," said Larry, "and then that was the end of that."

Still, Larry insisted there was no resentment as his little brother soared past him.

"We played one year of varsity basketball together when I was a senior and Michael was a junior, and that's when his play just went to another level," he said. "Even though there were five guys on the floor, he pretty much played all five positions. His level of play was just so much higher than the rest of us. People ask me all the time if it bothered me, but I can honestly say no, because I had the opportunity to see him grow. I knew how hard he worked."

there is no such thing as a perfect basketball player so there is room for debate among Kareem , rusell,wilt lebron and MJ , those 5 are clearly on another level from other great players.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/co...ssa&id=4457017

[Squatch]

Jordan was obviously great on the court (best ever imo) but it was his impact on the game of basketball, the culture, nike, etc... He changed the game, popularized the game, and made the NBA what it is today. Kareem was obviously great as well but he just didnt have the impact on the game of basketball that Jordan did which that combined with this game on the court, makes MJ the greatest of all time

[Da Grinch]

Originally Posted by Squatch

Jordan was obviously great on the court (best ever imo) but it was his impact on the game of basketball, the culture, nike, etc... He changed the game, popularized the game, and made the NBA what it is today. Kareem was obviously great as well but he just didnt have the impact on the game of basketball that Jordan did which that combined with this game on the court, makes MJ the greatest of all time

no one had the impact that wilt had simply because they had to change some rules to deal with his dominance.

but it is worth noting they had to outlaw dunking from the college game because of kareem's arrival

and he had to wear goggles because opposing players felt the only way to stop was to poke him in the eyes.

no one ever felt the need to go that far to stop Jordan...in fact the rule were changed during his time that aided him in scoring.