[Joe_Canada]

Originally posted by <b>Uncle Jesse</b>!


So tell me, what does Tony Parker have that Jamaal Tinsley doesn't have besides a crappy accent and bushy eyebrows?

A jumpshot. Parker his 42% from the floor and 33% from downtown, not very good but much better than tinsley's 38% and 24%. And lets take a look at the stats which clearly separate them, their stats when it counts: the playoffs. All people who are pro tinsley, please re-evaluate ur stance after this:

Tinsley: 17.6 mpg, 42% fg, 0% 3pfg, 2 rpg, 5 apg, .4 spg, 2.4 to, 3.6 ppg

Parker: 34.4 mpg, 46% fg, 37% 3pfg, 3 rpg, 4 apg, 1 spg, 2.2 to, 15.5 ppg

Yes, Tinsley had more assists per game, but Parker thoroughly dominates in every other stat, even turnovers, and Parker was playing twice the minutes. Yes, I know stats arent everything, but since the original argument for Tinsley being better than Parker was based on stats, this proves that even statswise parker is tinsley's superior.

[w-h-i-t-e-b-o-y]

<<D>> make a good point until he actually proves he on Dre and Baron's level you cant assume that he will be on their level becuase they are just that good. He might be in time....

[absolutebest]

Tinsley was injuried in the playoffs.


Tinsley was in Shawn Kemp shape as a rookie. Now taht he is in Al Harrington shape (his workout buddy) we will see how he looks. And if his jumper improves, watch out... the East is ours.

But Parker has lots of poise. Very savvy.

[LionsFan01]

Shaq is without question the most dominant player in the league. Like you said... Duncan is a one man show, ergo, his starts are better. Steve Francis has hella good stats. Leads his team in every category. But anyone who would want Francis ahead of Baron Davis or Mike Bibby needs their head checked. The same with anyone who would want Duncan ahead of Shaq

Why would they need their heads checked? If the Hornets or the Kings had Francis at PG, they would be much better I think. He has consistently put up big numbers for a very sub par team. Davis has consistently put up good numbers and Bibby just had his breakout year. I'd take Francis over both of them.

[PDB]

Thats where you and I differ. I see Francis as a very Marbury-esque player. Very talented, but not a winner, and until he starts winning, that is what I'll always believe.

[hOnDo]

Peja better than KObe? whoa..

[tenkev]

maybe this is why
Tinsley FG% .380 (horrible) 3pt%.240 (horrible)
Parker FG% .419 (bad, but better) 3pt%.323

plus Parker is a much better one on one defender

[CelticsRule]

Originally posted by <b>Uncle Jesse</b>!
So let me go ahead and say it: Samaki Walker is better than Paul Pierce. Yes you heard me correctly. If Pierce is so good why doesnt he have a ring? Hmmm? Samakis got a ring, Pierce doesnt, that means Samakis a better player. Sure Pierce tripled Samakis PPG, got more boards a game and ofcourse more assists per game but like I said Samakis got the ring, so Samaki's better. End of discussion.

thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard samaki isnt better then pierce cause he won a ring

[Showtyme]

Tony Parker LOOKS like a better player on the floor. But I think it's easier to be the consummate professional when you play with the likes of Tim Duncan and David Robinson, along with a slew of other professional veterans (Steve Smith, Terry Porter).

The Spurs, though sometimes rightly deemed a boring team, were packed with some quality guys...

Malik Rose, one of the hardest workers in the NBA, created his game out of nothing. He really had NO GAME, nothing but energy and hard nosed play, and by basically working his butt off, he DEVELOPED game out of nothing. Pretty impressive.

Antonio Daniels took the demotion from his starting PG job to backup off-guard with class. He continued to polish his game and showed the coach that he deserved the minutes they gave him. He went from being an athletic freak that livened up the game when AJ sat out to an athletic freak with controlled smarts and good basketball skills. Although drafted really high (he was a lottery pick, wasn't he?), this guy worked hard for everything he is.

Can anyone believe that Steve Smith used to be the MAN for his teams? In Atlanta, and even in Portland, there were several times when he was the go-to man. Now, he's EXACTLY the guy the Spurs need... the spot up shooter that, given even a little window, he will step up and drain his junks with total confidence. The guy is a great veteran too, and he keeps defenses super honest, making it tough to double down low on TD and DRobb.

Parker fits in perfectly with this team, and because of his teammates (Porter and Daniels gone, but Kerr comes back with some veteran experience himself), and his coaching (the conservative but firy style of Popovich), the guy would have to be dumb as rocks and lose a lot of his rookie skills. If he just keeps on as he's started, I can see Tony Parker becoming a big time point, one that will give people problems left and right.

I'd say that Parker's presence would be the single most important factor that Tim Duncan would have to consider before leaving the Spurs when his contract ends.

As for Tinsley, I think he has a ton of raw talent as well but he definitely should become a better offensive threat, otherwise the best he can ever really become is the next Rod Strickland, which is nothing bad in itself. Although the Pacers have a great group of guys there, hard workers that built themselves up from raw talent (O'Neal, Harrington), the coaching is really not going to help him, even if it is from one of the top point guards in NBA history. The team chemistry is also still young, and Miller is the only real veteran professional to teach the many. I HOPE Tinsley doesn't start taking lessons from Ron Mercer or Austin Croshere.

In sum,

both could be great players.

I like Parker better. Tinsley can be good too, but he's probably not going to be trained as well.

[Uncle Jesse]

Tinsley's better, will stay better, end of discussion. You people who say Parkers better are simply crazy. Maybe if the numbers were even close you'd have valid points, but Tinsleys numbers demolish Parkers numbers. More PPG, more RPG, Lots more APG, more SPG, ok Tinsley's not a great shooter but he's not interested in being a big time scorer, he's interested in running a basketball team.
BTW, I wasn't serious when i said S. Walker was better than Pierce and Peja was better than Kobe, I was just trying to act like some of you all who use that "whos got the ring?" or "Numbers dont mean squat" crap.

[Showtyme]

I think when you actually watch them play, Parker showed a lot more than Tinsley towards the end of the season. And not just in the sense of promise and more to come... in the sense of he's actually there, and consistent. He maintained it throughout the playoffs, and there's no reason why he shouldn't pick up right where he left off last season.

If that happens, then Parker will overtake Tinsley as the better guard THIS SEASON.

And let's not forget he's only like 20 years old.

[<<<D>>>]

Originally posted by <b>Uncle Jesse</b>!
Tinsley's better, will stay better, end of discussion. You people who say Parkers better are simply crazy. Maybe if the numbers were even close you'd have valid points, but Tinsleys numbers demolish Parkers numbers. More PPG, more RPG, Lots more APG, more SPG, ok Tinsley's not a great shooter but he's not interested in being a big time scorer, he's interested in running a basketball team.
BTW, I wasn't serious when i said S. Walker was better than Pierce and Peja was better than Kobe, I was just trying to act like some of you all who use that "whos got the ring?" or "Numbers dont mean squat" crap.

Relax......just relax OK......That's your own opinion
People have the right to voice their own thoughts and opnions as well, what your trying to do is prove them wrong, but in general, it's your words against what others believe, so respect that part of posting.