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Old 04-14-2004, 01:51 PM   #31 (permalink)
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you can't say wilt dominated russell when russell's team won damn near every time.

you figure wilt would've carried his team to a win at least once. 11 championships to 2? come on.

and russell weighed 220, for christ sakes.
I don't get the relevance of the wins when your talking about which player outplayed who. If Wilt got 40 points and 25 rebounds and Russell got 12 points and 23 rebounds, and the Celtics won, who outplayed who? That is no exaggeration either, thats how their games went a lot. I remember watching ESPN and they were talking about how Wilt averaged over 40 and 20 for a series against the Celtics but they lost. There is no way you can say Russell outplayed him because the Celts won, the Celts supporting casts were vastly superior to the Sixers.
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Old 04-14-2004, 01:57 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I have come the the conclusion that Wilt would easily be a dominant player in the league right now, just as he was when he played in the 60-70's.

Some people love to point out that there were more shots to be rebounded, but consider this:

Tim Duncan pulled down his career high of 25 rebounds in a game with 101 missed shots.

Look at what Chamberlain did in the 1970 Finals:

106 misses-24 rebounds for Wilt
105 misses-24 rebounds for Wilt
90 misses- 27 rebounds for Wilt

In Duncan's first 400+ games, he never grabbed as many as 25 rebounds...Wilt averaged over 25 rebounds a game in one season.


Wilt vs. Russell

Head to Head matchups

Wilt-28.7 ppg 28.7 rpg
Russ-14.5ppg 23.7 rpg

Wilt won 58 of those games
Russell won 84

Chamberlain's record against Boston when he was with the 76ers and Lakers (and also had better teammates) he was 34-35 against Russell.

Chamberlain lost 4 game 7's to Russell. The losses were by a combined 9 points.

I'll take Wilt.
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Old 04-14-2004, 01:58 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Wilt would have been a monster in the NBA right now. I could see him doing exactly what he did back then, but obvioulsy not to the extent. He would lead the league in scoring and rebounding every year, and probably blocks too. The guy was a legit 7'0 and he was an olympic calibur high jumper, and if I'm not mistaken he was a pretty good sprinter also. In today's league he would probably have 10-15 pounds more of muscle with all that other stuff, he would be unstoppable. He was also a pretty good passer to, he could pretty much do it all. I could see his #s looking like this 33/15/5/4.
olympic calibre is a bit of an overstatement. he may have been one of the better highjumpers in college though.

he had all the tools to make him the best big man in the game today but taking wilt out of the 60s and plonking him in the current NBA he'd have to make a LOT of adjustments. if he grew up in the modern era he would develop an even better body and skills than he had, resulting in...exactly what he already is, one of the greatest players of all time.
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Old 04-14-2004, 01:59 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I have come the the conclusion that Wilt would easily be a dominant player in the league right now, just as he was when he played in the 60-70's.

Some people love to point out that there were more shots to be rebounded, but consider this:

Tim Duncan pulled down his career high of 25 rebounds in a game with 101 missed shots.

Look at what Chamberlain did in the 1970 Finals:

106 misses-24 rebounds for Wilt
105 misses-24 rebounds for Wilt
90 misses- 27 rebounds for Wilt

In Duncan's first 400+ games, he never grabbed as many as 25 rebounds...Wilt averaged over 25 rebounds a game in one season.


Wilt vs. Russell

Head to Head matchups

Wilt-28.7 ppg 28.7 rpg
Russ-14.5ppg 23.7 rpg

Wilt won 58 of those games
Russell won 84

Chamberlain's record against Boston when he was with the 76ers and Lakers (and also had better teammates) he was 34-35 against Russell.

Chamberlain lost 4 game 7's to Russell. The losses were by a combined 9 points.

I'll take Wilt.
Thanks for comming up with the stats to dispell the myth that Russell outplayed Wilt in head to head matchups.
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I'm only 12 and I've never seen Wilt play, but I heard on ESPN that Wilt Chemberlon played against a bunch of short fat white guys. Well in the NBA today there aren't any short fat white guys, so I rekon Wilt wouldn't even be good enough to make an NBA roster.
Quotes like this are simply ridiculous.

You obviously need to research the era in which he played.

Chamberlain was a freak. He was the strongest ever to play in the NBA, and possibly all of professional sports. He was extremely athletic(check his track and field history), and was extremely lean and toned.

Wilt would dominate more than Shaq does in todays NBA. Give me a break, guys like Eddy Curry, would just get murdered. I think Wilt would make Shaq look silly. And that is not to take away from Shaq, wilt is just wilt.

There will never ever ever be another chamberlain.
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Quotes like this are simply ridiculous.

You obviously need to research the era in which he played.

Chamberlain was a freak. He was the strongest ever to play in the NBA, and possibly all of professional sports. He was extremely athletic(check his track and field history), and was extremely lean and toned.

Wilt would dominate more than Shaq does in todays NBA. Give me a break, guys like Eddy Curry, would just get murdered. I think Wilt would make Shaq look silly. And that is not to take away from Shaq, wilt is just wilt.

There will never ever ever be another chamberlain.
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Old 04-14-2004, 02:26 PM   #37 (permalink)
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is it my twisted imagination, or did someone just say that wilt dominated bill russell?

it's the other way around, buddy.

bill russell was 6'10 220, and he gave wilt trouble. imagine what today's athletic freaks would do. 6'10 220 is SF size, nowadays. hell, even SG (see: t-mac). wilt wouldn't be nearly as effective as he was.

if wilt played nowadays, he'd still be a HoF'er most likely. however, his stats would effectively be cut by 50%. can't really picture him doing better than 28 and 13, if that.
bill russell was the greatest defender the league has ever seen, and wilt put up pretty decent stats head-to-head against him. he lead the league in rebounding at 36 in 1973, a shell of his former self.

the guy was a freak, people. a freak then, a freak now.

the game may have been different, but wilt as a freak wouldn't be different. he overmatched people back then, and with his athleticism, skill and strength, he'd overmatch people today.

he's not going to score 50, but he's going to dominate on the boards, and block alot of shots.
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Quotes like this are simply ridiculous.

You obviously need to research the era in which he played.

Chamberlain was a freak. He was the strongest ever to play in the NBA, and possibly all of professional sports. He was extremely athletic(check his track and field history), and was extremely lean and toned.

Wilt would dominate more than Shaq does in todays NBA. Give me a break, guys like Eddy Curry, would just get murdered. I think Wilt would make Shaq look silly. And that is not to take away from Shaq, wilt is just wilt.

There will never ever ever be another chamberlain.
wilt was stronger than shaq?

don't make me laugh.
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KG nowadays, could have beaten Wilt in his prime, 1 on 1...
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Strength does play a big part in a one on one matchup. Especially in the post...

Skinny Garnett would get destroyed. Wilt would literally break him. But that is not to take anything away from KG.

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Old 04-14-2004, 02:32 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Some people love to point out that there were more shots to be rebounded, but consider this:

Tim Duncan pulled down his career high of 25 rebounds in a game with 101 missed shots.

Look at what Chamberlain did in the 1970 Finals:

106 misses-24 rebounds for Wilt
105 misses-24 rebounds for Wilt
90 misses- 27 rebounds for Wilt

In Duncan's first 400+ games, he never grabbed as many as 25 rebounds...Wilt averaged over 25 rebounds a game in one season.
Actually how often there are 100+ missed shots in a game today? In that Heat-Spurs game you talk about, San Antonio hit just 37.5% of their shots, Miami only 28.3%. Usually, there aren't more than 60-70 missed shots in a game today.

Shaquille O'Neal's season-high 26 rebounds came in a game vs. the Bucks, where both teams missed a combined 101 shots as well, by the way. If teams were missing more than 100 shots per game on a nightly basis, Shaq would probably average 25 boards per game as well.
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Old 04-14-2004, 02:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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why do people still try to argue that wilt's stats aren't padded?
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wilt was stronger than shaq?

don't make me laugh.
Wilt was MUCH stronger than Shaq. He could bench 500 pounds, and defenses triple-teamed him as often or more often than they triple-team Shaq. Shaq is fatter than Wilt, but that doesn't mean he's stronger.
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Actually how often there are 100+ missed shots in a game today? In that Heat-Spurs game you talk about, San Antonio hit just 37.5% of their shots, Miami only 28.3%. Usually, there aren't more than 60-70 missed shots in a game today.
Just yesterday there were two games with 85 misses and a game with 95 misses.... I have no doubt that Wilt would be able to lead the league in rebounding if he played right now.
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Wilt was MUCH stronger than Shaq. He could bench 500 pounds, and defenses triple-teamed him as often or more often than they triple-team Shaq. Shaq is fatter than Wilt, but that doesn't mean he's stronger.
would you happen to know how much shaq weighs? and did wilt himself say he could bench 500 lbs, or is that actually a fact?

there's a lot more to strength than just benching, you know.

shaq has like one layer of fat covering pure muscle. he's not fat. he's just a freak of nature. if he was fat he wouldn't have nearly the agility that he has, being 7'1 and all.
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Wilt was MUCH stronger than Shaq. He could bench 500 pounds, ...
Again, that's something Wilt told the press, just to show off. Don't take his stories too serious.
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