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Old 04-14-2004, 02:48 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Old 04-14-2004, 03:40 PM   #47 (permalink)
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is it my twisted imagination, or did someone just say that wilt dominated bill russell?

it's the other way around, buddy.

bill russell was 6'10 220, and he gave wilt trouble. imagine what today's athletic freaks would do. 6'10 220 is SF size, nowadays. hell, even SG (see: t-mac). wilt wouldn't be nearly as effective as he was.

if wilt played nowadays, he'd still be a HoF'er most likely. however, his stats would effectively be cut by 50%. can't really picture him doing better than 28 and 13, if that.
I'm pretty sure whiterino, an educated Celtics fan, has a pretty firm grasp on what went down in the Russell-Wilt matchups. Check the stat sheets. Chamberlain obliterated Russell every time they met up.........but the Celtics still managed to win most of the time
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Old 04-14-2004, 03:43 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I have come the the conclusion that Wilt would easily be a dominant player in the league right now, just as he was when he played in the 60-70's.

Some people love to point out that there were more shots to be rebounded, but consider this:

Tim Duncan pulled down his career high of 25 rebounds in a game with 101 missed shots.

Look at what Chamberlain did in the 1970 Finals:

106 misses-24 rebounds for Wilt
105 misses-24 rebounds for Wilt
90 misses- 27 rebounds for Wilt

In Duncan's first 400+ games, he never grabbed as many as 25 rebounds...Wilt averaged over 25 rebounds a game in one season.


Wilt vs. Russell

Head to Head matchups

Wilt-28.7 ppg 28.7 rpg
Russ-14.5ppg 23.7 rpg

Wilt won 58 of those games
Russell won 84

Chamberlain's record against Boston when he was with the 76ers and Lakers (and also had better teammates) he was 34-35 against Russell.

Chamberlain lost 4 game 7's to Russell. The losses were by a combined 9 points.

I'll take Wilt.
I hadn't heard some of that. Damned interesting stuff, nice find.
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Old 04-14-2004, 03:45 PM   #49 (permalink)
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wilt was stronger than shaq?

don't make me laugh.
I don't know the official numbers, but I do know Wilt was known as one of the strongest men in the universe. I also know that he could still manage about 500 lbs. on his bench press when he was 60 years old. I don't know why, but I have some doubt as to whether Shaq could get that much.......

With Shaq's weight advantage he may have more power, but he is not pound-for-pound stronger than Wilt was. And with the better nutrition and technology today, Wilt could very easily make up for anything he may have given up one time because of weight differential.
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Again, that's something Wilt told the press, just to show off. Don't take his stories too serious.
No it's not. Hell if I can remember, but there was a legitimate eye-witness (probably several, and I'm talking former NBA stars and personalities, but it's been a while since I heard this), but they saw Wilt get under 475 lbs, without warming up mind you, and get it with relative ease.
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why do people still try to argue that wilt's stats aren't padded?
Nobody's arguing that he could manage 50 points a game, or 28 rebounds a game, or 8 assists a game, or 10 blocks a game in today's league. However, reducing his unbelievable accomplishments to simply an above average player in today's NBA is simply assanine, IMO.
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I'd say his and Shaq's numbers would be very similar, somewhere in the region of 27 ppg, 14 rbp (better rebounder than Shaq probably) and 3 bpg. Mind you those are absolutely phenomenal numbers by anyone's standards, considering that today's game is more intense, requires more athletecism and more skill.
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Wilt is the most athletic man who probably ever lived. To say he was an Olympic caliber high jumper is no joke. He jumped a documented 6-6 in high school and a little more in college although I wouldn't say he focused on track too much. 6-6 doesn't seem like much now, but in 1956, about the time Wilt was an 18 year old dabbling in the high jump, it was good for 8th place in the Olympics. Not bad. His 400 and 800 times weren't world class, but a 7-1 freak who can run a 49.0 quarter is pretty impressive, especially when the very best in the world were running about a 46 at the time. The famous 500 lb benched were witnessed by dozens too. A pro football team gave him a tryout and he ran a 4.4 barefoot in pants. The coaches ran him through everything, thinking the had the best tight end in history before Chamberlain told them he was only interested in being a QB. It goes on and on...

I think a lot of what he really was gets lost because of his own tendency to embellish a bit. 20,000 women? Driving across the country in 18 hours going 140 mph all the way?

The truth sometimes gets lost in the fiction with him. Which is too bad, because in this case the truth is more often stranger than the fiction.
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Wilt is the most athletic man who probably ever lived. To say he was an Olympic caliber high jumper is no joke. He jumped a documented 6-6 in high school and a little more in college although I wouldn't say he focused on track too much. 6-6 doesn't seem like much now, but in 1956, about the time Wilt was an 18 year old dabbling in the high jump, it was good for 8th place in the Olympics. Not bad. His 400 and 800 times weren't world class, but a 7-1 freak who can run a 49.0 quarter is pretty impressive, especially when the very best in the world were running about a 46 at the time. The famous 500 lb benched were witnessed by dozens too. A pro football team gave him a tryout and he ran a 4.4 barefoot in pants. The coaches ran him through everything, thinking the had the best tight end in history before Chamberlain told them he was only interested in being a QB. It goes on and on...

I think a lot of what he really was gets lost because of his own tendency to embellish a bit. 20,000 women? Driving across the country in 18 hours going 140 mph all the way?

The truth sometimes gets lost in the fiction with him. Which is too bad, because in this case the truth is more often stranger than the fiction.
I used to think that if Shaq played back when Wilt did he would be more dominant, and Wilt wouldn't be as dominant in the 90s as Shaq was. But after really considering how much of an athletic freak he was, I have no doubt that he would have been more dominant than Shaq. How can a 7 footer run a 4.4? That would be fast for an NFL running back. Benching 500 at 7'1 is also remarkable considering the length of the press. Arnold (don't feel like trying to spell his last name) talks about how bench pressing a lot is difficult for him becuase of his height and he's only 6'2. Wilt would've been too strong and too quick for centers, and just would've dominated now. I think their are only 3 players in the league who would've had any chance of even slowing him down, Shaq because of the strength, Yao Ming becuse of his height, and KG becuase he matches up with Wilt quite well.
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No it's not. Hell if I can remember, but there was a legitimate eye-witness (probably several, and I'm talking former NBA stars and personalities, but it's been a while since I heard this), but they saw Wilt get under 475 lbs, without warming up mind you, and get it with relative ease.
Well, if you want to believe it, do it. I don't give Wilt's stories too much credit.

I don't believe his "I'm the best volleyball player in the world" story.

I don't believe his "I beat Arnold Schwarzenegger in benching" story.

I don't believe his "I have a 50+ inch vertical" story.

I don't believe his "I run faster than every football player out there" story.

I don't believe his "I had 20,000 women" story.

This guy said so much bullsh*t, it's funny. I don't think he believed it himself.
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Well, if you want to believe it, do it. I don't give Wilt's stories too much credit.

I don't believe his "I'm the best volleyball player in the world" story.

I don't believe his "I beat Arnold Schwarzenegger in benching" story.

I don't believe his "I have a 50+ inch vertical" story.

I don't believe his "I run faster than every football player out there" story.

I don't believe his "I had 20,000 women" story.

This guy said so much bullsh*t, it's funny. I don't think he believed it himself.
I'm not taking his word for it, I'm taking the numerous eye witness's who had no reason to spread fibs' word for it
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wilt chamberlain ran a 4.4 40?

i'd love to see proof.
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Wilt would be just as good today as he was 40 years ago. Maybe less rebounds and blocks, but on the offensive end I doubt anyone could seriously stop him.
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Wilt could always fly, he was a gourmet chef, his saliva was a stain repellant/cleaning utility, could turn anything into gold with his touch, had bowel movements that smelled like bakery fresh cinnamon buns, and he used his dick, a piece of string, and chewing gum to catch fish to feed the entire continent of Africa.
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Wilt could always fly, he was a gourmet chef, his saliva was a stain repellant/cleaning utility, could turn anything into gold with his touch, had bowel movements that smelled like bakery fresh cinnamon buns, and he used his dick, a piece of string, and chewing gum to catch fish to feed the entire continent of Africa.


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