[HKF]

If he wants to be traded to Houston so bad, what about this deal for the Magic. Note this is only if Orlando is going to trade T-Mac, so don't jump all over me. If it doesn't happen, then it doesn't.


Orlando trades: PF Juwan Howard (17.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.5 minutes)
SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)
C Andrew DeClercq (3.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.1 minutes)
Orlando receives: PG Steve Francis (16.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley (15.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -9.7 ppg, -0.7 rpg, and +2.3 apg.

Houston trades: PG Steve Francis (16.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley (15.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
Houston receives: PF Juwan Howard (17.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 81 games)
SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 67 games)
C Andrew DeClercq (3.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 71 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.7 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -2.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Orlando and Houston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Orlando and Houston had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


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Now other that, the Magic have the picks 1 (Emeka Okafor), 31 (Uros Sloker) and 37 (Chris Duhon). They would still have the MLE and the LLE to use.

Then Orlando trades Drew Gooden and a future lottery protected first round pick till 2009 for Vlad Radmanovic, Flip Murray and Richie Frahm.

Seattle trades: PF Vladimir Radmanovic (12.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 30.2 minutes)
PG Ronald Murray (12.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 24.7 minutes)
SG Richie Frahm (3.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes)
Seattle receives: PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -16.1 ppg, -2.3 rpg, and -3.6 apg.

Orlando trades: PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Orlando receives: PF Vladimir Radmanovic (12.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 77 games)
PG Ronald Murray (12.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 82 games)
SG Richie Frahm (3.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 54 games)
Change in team outlook: +16.1 ppg, +2.3 rpg, and +3.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Seattle and Orlando being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Seattle and Orlando had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


C - Kelvin Cato/Keon Clark/Zaza Pachulia
PF - Emeka Okafor/Tony Massenburg/Uros Sloker
SF - Vladimir Radmanovic/Deshawn Stevenson/Keith Bogans
SG - Cuttino Mobley/Flip Murray/Richie Frahm
PG - Steve Francis/Chris Duhon/Tyronn Lue (if not picked up in the expansion draft)

This team still has the MLE and the LLE and the vet's minimum to use to fill out the roster. They could always add someone like Mark Blount/Keon Clark (I gave them Keon for half the MLE) to compete with Cato for the C spot and sign someone like Tony Massenburg for toughness in the paint at the Vet's minimum. That leaves them with half the MLE and the LLE left if they want to.

If Grant Hill comes back, then everything is gravy. If not, then it really doesn't matter. This is a more dynamic offensive team and with Johnny Davis still the HC (and Paul Westhead as an Asst.) the Magic should be trying like hell to score over 105 ppg. With Okafor and Cato downlow to anchor the paint on defense, the Magic should be tough to score in the paint. The key to this whole piece is Vladimir Radmanovic. You know what you are going to get from Mobley and Francis (who I think would welcome the trade), but if Radman can become the Peja like player that everyone thinks he can be (including myself), then the Magic team is 10x better than it was last year. They also are not depending on one player to score for this team.

Duhon is the consummate pass first PG and can play in a backcourt with Francis on occasion. Murray is a combo guard who can fill up the stat sheet off the bench (as can Frahm). Stevenson and Bogans will go out and attempt to play defense and play all out to the floor. Clark and Massenburg provide athleticism and toughness off the bench.

I think Orlando would be the best they have been in years with this team.

What do you think?

[Tersk]

Its a very good idea, but I really doubt it will Happen

Tracy McGrady
for
Shawn Marion and Filler
#7 pick

Then trade

#1 Pick, Grant Hill and Juwan Howard
for
Danny Fortson and Antoine Walker

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Grant Hill (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
PF Juwan Howard (17.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.9 ppg, -5.8 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

Orlando trades: PF Grant Hill (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
PF Juwan Howard (17.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.5 minutes)
Orlando receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 56 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.9 ppg, +5.8 rpg, and +2.7 apg

[Crossword]

Originally posted by <b>theo4002</b>!
#1 Pick, Grant Hill and Juwan Howard
for
Danny Fortson and Antoine Walker

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Grant Hill (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
PF Juwan Howard (17.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.9 ppg, -5.8 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

Orlando trades: PF Grant Hill (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
PF Juwan Howard (17.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.5 minutes)
Orlando receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 56 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.9 ppg, +5.8 rpg, and +2.7 apg

Yeah you wish they'd do that.

[Devestata]

Eh, I don't think Houston is too hellbent on trading their backcourt just for T-Mac either. I'd pass for now.

[pr0wler]

lol some of these trades are ridiculously unfair.

The #1 pick, Juwan Howard, and a now healthy Grant Hill for Antoine (most overrated player in the NBA) Walker + Danny Fortson? Ya right. I think Grant Hill alone is better than Walker/Forton, even though he has a large contract. Not to mention Okafor and Howard are good players at a decent price.

Even though Grant Hill has a big contract, he is supposedly healthy at this moment. 2 years ago when he was still battling injures he was averaging a major amount of points in limited minutes. That was while he was playing injured......now he is healthy.

The deal above is TERRIBLE.

Before this, the Flip Murray + Radmanovich + Frahm for Drew Gooden is a joke as well. So Orlando gets a rising star in Ronald Murray, an improving small forward with potential in Radman, and a lights out shooter in Frahm. Seattle in return picks up a tweener with a terrible +/- ratio.

These deals should be somewhat realistic before being posted. Teams don't just pick up leftover trash (Gooden) and in return send 3 of their young rising stars. Come on.....

[ivo_krka]

Originally posted by <b>pr0wler</b>!

These deals should be somewhat realistic before being posted. Teams don't just pick up leftover trash (Gooden) and in return send 3 of their young rising stars. Come on.....

Murray won't get the playing time with Allen, Barry and Daniels on the team, Radmanovic hasn't improved much since coming to the league, while Gooden had a worse season than his rookie year because he had to split his PF minutes with Howard and can only do better. I think you've underrated Gooden a bit. Starting five including Barry, Allen, Lewis and Gooden would be very competitive.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally posted by <b>pr0wler</b>!
lol some of these trades are ridiculously unfair.

The #1 pick, Juwan Howard, and a now healthy Grant Hill for Antoine (most overrated player in the NBA) Walker + Danny Fortson? Ya right. I think Grant Hill alone is better than Walker/Forton, even though he has a large contract. Not to mention Okafor and Howard are good players at a decent price.

Even though Grant Hill has a big contract, he is supposedly healthy at this moment. 2 years ago when he was still battling injures he was averaging a major amount of points in limited minutes. That was while he was playing injured......now he is healthy.

The deal above is TERRIBLE.

Before this, the Flip Murray + Radmanovich + Frahm for Drew Gooden is a joke as well. So Orlando gets a rising star in Ronald Murray, an improving small forward with potential in Radman, and a lights out shooter in Frahm. Seattle in return picks up a tweener with a terrible +/- ratio.

These deals should be somewhat realistic before being posted. Teams don't just pick up leftover trash (Gooden) and in return send 3 of their young rising stars. Come on.....

3 rising stars? Flip is buried on the bench, Rad is a disappointment, and Frahm?

Gooden is not a tweener at all. He is perfectly suited for the power forward position, which is where he would play on Seattle. If he got consistent, starter minutes over there I would expect at least 16 and 9 out of him.

I agree with you about the Dallas deal, it is horrible.

[pr0wler]

I am exaggerating with my assesments with Gooden. I was just trying to get the point across. He's an alright player, although his FG% leaves much to be desired. (not to mention his poor defense)He's probably on par with Radmanovich if it was a straight up deal.

But the sonics can get a much better deal with Radman, Murray and Frahm than Gooden. Radman has improved his FG % since he joined the league, as well as slowly upping his scoring. He had to play out of place at the power forward spot, and will only improve if he plays his natural SF spot. Ron Murray showed he can flat out score this year. He is also a rookie for all intensive purposes, considering he hardly played last year. Frahm showed signs of brilliance, and could turn out to be a very key role player.

[Hollis]

The Rockets have 2 guards under the age of 40, I doubt they'd trade both without getting a decent PG in return...

[hobojoe]

Originally posted by <b>Hong Kong Fooey</b>!
If he wants to be traded to Houston so bad, what about this deal for the Magic. Note this is only if Orlando is going to trade T-Mac, so don't jump all over me. If it doesn't happen, then it doesn't.


Orlando trades: PF Juwan Howard (17.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.5 minutes)
SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)
C Andrew DeClercq (3.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.1 minutes)
Orlando receives: PG Steve Francis (16.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley (15.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -9.7 ppg, -0.7 rpg, and +2.3 apg.

Houston trades: PG Steve Francis (16.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley (15.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
Houston receives: PF Juwan Howard (17.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 81 games)
SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 67 games)
C Andrew DeClercq (3.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 71 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.7 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -2.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Orlando and Houston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Orlando and Houston had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


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Now other that, the Magic have the picks 1 (Emeka Okafor), 31 (Uros Sloker) and 37 (Chris Duhon). They would still have the MLE and the LLE to use.

Then Orlando trades Drew Gooden and a future lottery protected first round pick till 2009 for Vlad Radmanovic, Flip Murray and Richie Frahm.

Seattle trades: PF Vladimir Radmanovic (12.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 30.2 minutes)
PG Ronald Murray (12.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 24.7 minutes)
SG Richie Frahm (3.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes)
Seattle receives: PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -16.1 ppg, -2.3 rpg, and -3.6 apg.

Orlando trades: PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Orlando receives: PF Vladimir Radmanovic (12.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 77 games)
PG Ronald Murray (12.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 82 games)
SG Richie Frahm (3.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 54 games)
Change in team outlook: +16.1 ppg, +2.3 rpg, and +3.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Seattle and Orlando being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Seattle and Orlando had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


C - Kelvin Cato/Keon Clark/Zaza Pachulia
PF - Emeka Okafor/Tony Massenburg/Uros Sloker
SF - Vladimir Radmanovic/Deshawn Stevenson/Keith Bogans
SG - Cuttino Mobley/Flip Murray/Richie Frahm
PG - Steve Francis/Chris Duhon/Tyronn Lue (if not picked up in the expansion draft)

This team still has the MLE and the LLE and the vet's minimum to use to fill out the roster. They could always add someone like Mark Blount/Keon Clark (I gave them Keon for half the MLE) to compete with Cato for the C spot and sign someone like Tony Massenburg for toughness in the paint at the Vet's minimum. That leaves them with half the MLE and the LLE left if they want to.

If Grant Hill comes back, then everything is gravy. If not, then it really doesn't matter. This is a more dynamic offensive team and with Johnny Davis still the HC (and Paul Westhead as an Asst.) the Magic should be trying like hell to score over 105 ppg. With Okafor and Cato downlow to anchor the paint on defense, the Magic should be tough to score in the paint. The key to this whole piece is Vladimir Radmanovic. You know what you are going to get from Mobley and Francis (who I think would welcome the trade), but if Radman can become the Peja like player that everyone thinks he can be (including myself), then the Magic team is 10x better than it was last year. They also are not depending on one player to score for this team.

Duhon is the consu