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tatahbenitez · 08-25-2005, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BenGordon

The Bucks were set to win back then. they just needed a big man. a lot like suns were set to win this year but just need a great PG.

Kareem was great but Wilt was the best at what he did. Kareem was very offensive but doin the same post-up move over and over is not makin your own shot. and the only thing he had was the hook,the tip in, and the post up. Wilt could do everything, he shots threes,field goals,amazing free throw %,100 PPG,Kareem is maybe on top 3 on alltime centers but Wilt is to centers what michael jordan is to guards.

You really crack me up Ben. Amazing free throws from Wilt!

Shooting all those 3's! (I almost forgot that the 3 point line was implemented when Wilt was already retired)

But you forgot the season where Wilt averaged a quadruple double!

Anyway, thanks for the laughs!!!

kflo · 08-25-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BenGordon

The Bucks were set to win back then. they just needed a big man. a lot like suns were set to win this year but just need a great PG.

Kareem was great but Wilt was the best at what he did. Kareem was very offensive but doin the same post-up move over and over is not makin your own shot. and the only thing he had was the hook,the tip in, and the post up. Wilt could do everything, he shots threes,field goals,amazing free throw %,100 PPG,Kareem is maybe on top 3 on alltime centers but Wilt is to centers what michael jordan is to guards.

do you really know what you're talking about? are you comparing amare and marion and jj to flynn robinson and jon mcglocklin? the bucks weren't set to win. they became set to win when they drafted the best player in basketball.

i'll have to assume you were joking with the shooting 3's and amazing ft% comment with respect to wilt.

doing the same move is indeed making your own shot when noone can stop it. of course, kareem was more than just one move.

Deke · 08-25-2005, 07:58 AM

Mcglockin and Flynn Robinson were much better then marion and JJ.
each averaged over 20 PPG for many years.

tatahbenitez · 08-25-2005, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BenGordon

Mcglockin and Flynn Robinson were much better then marion and JJ.
each averaged over 20 PPG for many years.

It's a wonder that neither of them have not yet been inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame. That is almost criminal.

Deke · 08-25-2005, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tatahbenitez

It's a wonder that neither of them have not yet been inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame. That is almost criminal.

i didnt say they were great, but were better then marion and JJ. do u see marion or JJ goin to hall of fame?

kflo · 08-25-2005, 08:21 AM

mcglockin's career high was 12 ppg before going to the expansion bucks. he scored a career high 19.6 for a team that won 27 games. the following year he scored 17.6 ppg, but his fg% went from 49% to 53%, in large part because of kareem. he had 2 more seasons scoring double digits. he made 1 all-star game.

robinson's career high was 16 before going to the expansion bucks. he scored 20 ppg that year, 21.8 the next year, and broke double digits only 1 other season. his fg% went from 43% to 48% with kareem.

better to just drop the issue.

tatahbenitez · 08-25-2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kflo

mcglockin's career high was 12 ppg before going to the expansion bucks. he scored a career high 19.6 for a team that won 27 games. the following year he scored 17.6 ppg, but his fg% went from 49% to 53%, in large part because of kareem. he had 2 more seasons scoring double digits. he made 1 all-star game.

robinson's career high was 16 before going to the expansion bucks. he scored 20 ppg that year, 21.8 the next year, and broke double digits only 1 other season. his fg% went from 43% to 48% with kareem.

better to just drop the issue.

I've stopped taking Ben seriously since he stated that Wilt was a 3 point shooter, was amazing at the free throw line, and had a 100 ppg. To quote...

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Wilt could do everything, he shots threes,field goals,amazing free throw %,100 PPG,Kareem is maybe on top 3 on alltime centers but Wilt is to centers what michael jordan is to guards.

Deke · 08-25-2005, 08:37 AM

flynn and robinson averaged 20.3 PPG and 19.5 before Kareem.
anyway im not kareem hatin, and not disputin his greatness, hes not overrated but not underrated. always liked the showtime lakers as a kid so Kareem was one of my favorite centers, but u cant compare em and wilt. and i had some of my wilt stats mixed up cuz i aint that old, only know 70s cuz durin 80s they reflected on the bucks,76ers and trailblazers a lot.

Deke · 08-25-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tatahbenitez

I've stopped taking Ben seriously since he stated that Wilt was a 3 point shooter, was amazing at the free throw line, and had a 100 ppg. To quote...

meant 100 Points in a game. and i dont read NBA history. i dont know much Pre Dr J era because i wasnt alive durin it

FanOfAll8472 · 08-25-2005, 10:26 AM

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I don't know about his prime, but from watching him in the late '80's, he didn't seem a particularly good defender.

In the '80's, his defense and rebounding were very lackluster, compared to his earlier days, when he had more legs under him. In the late '80s, towards the very tail end of his career, his rebounding was pretty much anything that bounced towards him, and his defense was often MIA. But he was a tall, imposing presence who could alter shots without really jumping. He needed the energy on offense.

I don't believe Kareem is over/underrated. I've never seen much Wilt, only a few clips recently, but I wasn't impressed. A great athlete, with some moves, but the team defense was lackluster (often 1-on-1) and some of his shots (especially the flip shot), went in over shorter defenders, but would've been swatted by players today, like Ben Wallace. He was just a lot bigger and stronger, or so it seemed. Russell was an inferior player in his day, so I doubt I'd be impressed by him either. I still would rather not rank the two (which would lead me to place Hakeem and Kareem as tied for best center), but that may change with more vintage games. Most people place Kareem where he belongs - a least a top 5 center, if not higher, and one of the best offensive weapons ever.

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I believe they are interchangable. In there prime they both were the clear-cut best during their time. I wish we could have seen a Shaq in his prime vs. a Olajuwon is his prime.

I don't want to take this topic OT, but I believe Shaq in '95 was in his prime. 2nd consecutive season of 29+ ppg, tied for 2nd for his career high of ppg, 13+ boards, 3rd in his career, 3rd highest career blocks in one season. What he gained later was some experience, but considering his size and dominance, his experience has made little difference until last year and the years to come, when he obviously isn't/won't be the same player.

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