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12-13-2005, 11:14 AM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
Is there really someone so ignorant as to say that Bird wasn't a great player?I hope that is because you are too young.Anyone who actually saw Bird play has to think that utterly ridiculous.Bird is only an ordinairy player if he's standing beside Jordan,Magic,Oscar Robertson,Hakeem,Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell.In terms of his overall effectiveness thats about the number of players who were certainly better than he was.A few others could be argued,but not more than a handful.
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12-13-2005, 11:47 AM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
His brain. Two steps ahead of everyone else mentally out there. He had JKidd vision and handling/passing ability at 6-9. Add to that one of the best jumpers (more of a hopper) ever, and you got the Birdman. And in comparison to many so-called stars of today.... when he didn't have it going on from the perimeter, he worked it around the hoop. Didn't force ****.
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12-13-2005, 01:00 PM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
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Is there really someone so ignorant as to say that Bird wasn't a great player?I hope that is because you are too young.Anyone who actually saw Bird play has to think that utterly ridiculous.Bird is only an ordinairy player if he's standing beside Jordan,Magic,Oscar Robertson,Hakeem,Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell.In terms of his overall effectiveness thats about the number of players who were certainly better than he was.A few others could be argued,but not more than a handful.
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Diable i basically agree with you except for one point. There is no evidence that magic was more effective or efficient. Better arguably but not more effective.
Bird reg season eff. rating 29.77 and post season 29.48
magic had 29.10 and 30.37 respectively.
larry .66 ahead reg season and magic .89 ahead post season. Overall nothing in it and both played about 1000 games. Both had 9 all NBAs and 3 MVPs which further underlines that they were remarkably equal. There is no way magic was "certainly better" and to anyone who saw them both they will always be two of the greatest.
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12-13-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
For people who said Bird wasn't athletic, how many players at his size could move like he moved, or shoot like he shoots? He had a great mix of athleticism, skill, and an understanding of the game equal to that of Magic.
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12-13-2005, 03:38 PM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
It was the mustache.
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12-13-2005, 03:51 PM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
He is smart and extremely competitive. And he's very charismatic.
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12-13-2005, 04:21 PM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
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For people who said Bird wasn't athletic, how many players at his size could move like he moved, or shoot like he shoots? He had a great mix of athleticism, skill, and an understanding of the game equal to that of Magic.
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I am a HUGE fan of Larry Joe, but people are overrating his athleticism in this thread. He was not an athletic player (at least how i percieve athleticism). And that is the main reason he was an average defender (although a great team defender).
Nevertheless, if i were to fingerpoint the main atribute that made Bird the player he was (Top-5/6 All-time, IMHO) it's, like Seanet said, his mind. Bird was one of the most intelligent players ever. Hey, can't blow by my opponent? I'll master the unblockable shot. Can't jump very high? I'll master positioning rebounding. Not much of an handle? I'll pass the ball from the pivot. You name it.
IF talking about fundamentally sound game, Bird was THE perfect player. Great scorer, rebounder and passer. Great shooter from all over the court. Didn't miss FTs.
Bird was the man.
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12-13-2005, 04:29 PM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
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I am a HUGE fan of Larry Joe, but people are overrating his athleticism in this thread. He was not an athletic player (at least how i percieve athleticism). And that is the main reason he was an average defender (although a great team defender).
Nevertheless, if i were to fingerpoint the main atribute that made Bird the player he was (Top-5/6 All-time, IMHO) it's, like Seanet said, his mind. Bird was one of the most intelligent players ever. Hey, can't blow by my opponent? I'll master the unblockable shot. Can't jump very high? I'll master positioning rebounding. Not much of an handle? I'll pass the ball from the pivot. You name it.
IF talking about fundamentally sound game, Bird was THE perfect player. Great scorer, rebounder and passer. Great shooter from all over the court. Didn't miss FTs.
Bird was the man.
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Hey Paulo, ever see the clips of some fans (I think in Atlanta) who sat underneath the hoop and unrolled lifesized posters of scantily clad women while Bird shot FTs? ****ing hilarious. Bird himself had to take a chuckle break.
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12-13-2005, 05:31 PM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
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Hey Paulo, ever see the clips of some fans (I think in Atlanta) who sat underneath the hoop and unrolled lifesized posters of scantily clad women while Bird shot FTs? ****ing hilarious. Bird himself had to take a chuckle break.
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Heh, heh. I didn't have the chance to see it. Must have been a great sight...
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12-13-2005, 05:34 PM
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Re: What made Larry Bird one of the greatest ever?
WOW
I just LOVE how the people who say he "wasnt talented", "unathletic", and "overrated"
I would bet my life that the people who said this didnt even watch Bird play at all. Except on ESPN classic 
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12-13-2005, 05:35 PM
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