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Old 10-21-2006, 09:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Underrated/Overrated Greats

Who would you take out of the HOF? Any players you think were overrated & didn't really deserve HOF inductment. Perhaps they didn't meet the criteria & did not accomplish enough in your opinion.

Who would you put in the HOF? Any retired greats that were maybe overlooked & deserved to be there in your opinion.
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Old 10-22-2006, 05:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

can we limit this to players who played at least 5 seasons after 1960; lots of early players aren't very impressive. For later ones . . . several of the early Celtics got carried in by Bill Russell, I would include Sharman, KC Jones, and probably Heinsohn in that category. Similarly, Worthy is in the hall while superior peers aren't thanks to being carried there by Kareem and Magic. Not a big fan of the Maravich types either but like Iverson gets all-star selections, volume scoring gets you props even if it isn't connected to team success.

Oh and have I mentioned recently that Bill Bradley is the most overrated player in the history of the NBA?
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Old 10-22-2006, 07:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

Adrian Dantley has been overlooked by the HoF for some reason. He was an insanely good scorer who was also incredibly efficient. He took a large portion of his team's shots, but he still shot in the mid 50s. He's probably overlooked because his best years were with middle of the pack Utah teams, but it's sort of understated how good those years actually were.

Trying to think of some others. Bernard King? His peak was incredible, but he was wracked with injuries. Artis Gilmore? He had a few years in the ABA where he was pretty much unstoppable (including an ABA championship, but the HoF doesn't really care about the ABA that much) and a fairly good NBA career as well. He's the career leader in field goal percentage at .599, and he's put up some great TS% numbers (actually leads the NBA in that, too).
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

Alex English was horribly underrated. One of the better jump shooters you will ever find. I guess when you played for the Nuggets in the 80s, you will be overlooked.

Dennis Rodman was also underrated. One of the best rebounders ever to step onto the court. Ben Wallace has absolutely nothing on him.
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

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can we limit this to players who played at least 5 seasons after 1960; lots of early players aren't very impressive. For later ones . . . several of the early Celtics got carried in by Bill Russell, I would include Sharman, KC Jones, and probably Heinsohn in that category. Similarly, Worthy is in the hall while superior peers aren't thanks to being carried there by Kareem and Magic. Not a big fan of the Maravich types either but like Iverson gets all-star selections, volume scoring gets you props even if it isn't connected to team success.

Oh and have I mentioned recently that Bill Bradley is the most overrated player in the history of the NBA?
I agree w/ your comments about Russell's teammates & also Worthy being carried in by Kareem & Magic.
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Old 10-22-2006, 02:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

Adrian Dantley
Alex English in HOF
Bernard King
Buck Williams
No particular order
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Old 10-28-2006, 02:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

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Adrian Dantley
Alex English in HOF
Bernard King
Buck Williams
No particular order
Seems like quite a few quality scorers in the '80s have a case. I'd throw Mark Aguirre in there, as well as he scored more points than anyone else during the 6 year period of 82-87.
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

i'd say worthy is probably underrated at this point. probably not a peer at his position the lakers would have traded him for. and he was obviously the 2nd best player on the team from '87 on, and often their first scoring option.
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Old 10-29-2006, 12:57 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

chris mullin is underrated
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Old 10-29-2006, 01:08 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

overrated - isiah thomas

underrated - the admiral
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Re: Underrated/Overrated Greats

Mullin had a good run of production, but if he kept his peak value for longer (it was only a few years in the late 80s/early 90s), he might've been regarded higher. Afterwards he was still a decent player, but not an All-Star.

Another name I'd like to throw out there is Larry Nance. I've never really heard people talk about him, maybe since he was part of several Cleveland teams that got stomped by the Bulls. They seem like a footnote in history, but a lot of them were pretty stacked, with a prime Ron Harper, Brad Daugherty (who is also underrated, but mostly because his career was cut short), and Mark Price (most people don't realize just how good he was in the early 90s, strikes me as an early Steve Nash, with his shooting ability and passing skills, although his passing wasn't quite as spectacular). Not suggesting that any of these guys are HoF material or anything, but looking back on the old Cleveland rosters has made me come out impressed.

Anyway, Nance was an efficient scorer (career FG% is .546), a good defender, and a surprisingly slick passer for someone his size. He never really gave superstar production, but he produced at an All-Star level for about a decade.
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