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BadBaronRudigor · 01-27-2007, 04:47 AM

McHale had that one freak season yes. IN HIS ENTIRE REST OF HIS CAREER, including years playing 35 mpg+, he never got over 9 rebounds a game! Looking at their averages over the 8 years or so McHale was a starter (so people don't say it's because he was 6th man) . . . .

McHale would get you about 22/8.5/2 with 1.8 blocks and 0.4 steals
Buck would get you about 17/12/1.5 with 1 block and 1 steal

and I use Buck because he was close to a match to McHale on the two things McHale did best, Shooting Efficiency and Defense. Was Buck as good as McHale, not in my opinion, was it close, yes. Is McHale better than Karl Malone . . . only in his dreams.

PauloCatarino · 01-27-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BadBaronRudigor

McHale had that one freak season yes. IN HIS ENTIRE REST OF HIS CAREER, including years playing 35 mpg+, he never got over 9 rebounds a game! Looking at their averages over the 8 years or so McHale was a starter (so people don't say it's because he was 6th man) . . . .

McHale would get you about 22/8.5/2 with 1.8 blocks and 0.4 steals
Buck would get you about 17/12/1.5 with 1 block and 1 steal

Context: if we're taking away McHAle as a 6th man (wich would be the right thing to do if we are talking about prime play), one also must differentiate the Nets' Williams and the Blazers' Williams. Same player with 2 different roles.

As we know, McHale played in a stacked team with other offensive weapons and other rebounders. That limited his offensive stats. I'm not saying that McHale would average 26-10-3-2 for his career had he not play with Bird/Parish/Lewis/etc., but chances are he would improve his stats.

The best individual Williams was the Nets' one, where he took a predominat role, having no volume scorer around and not much of other rebounder. When he went to the Blazers, his scoring went down and only once in his Blazers tenure he managed to grab 10rpg. And the reason is simple: Porter/Drexler/Kersey/Duck.

To say that if comparing Buck Williams and Kevin McHAle while playing for a stacked, championship contender (same environment/context), McHale is the clear superior player.

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and I use Buck because he was close to a match to McHale on the two things McHale did best, Shooting Efficiency and Defense. Was Buck as good as McHale, not in my opinion, was it close, yes. Is McHale better than Karl Malone . . . only in his dreams.

Yes.

BadBaronRudigor · 01-28-2007, 05:00 PM

ACtually Buck played with some legit NBA talent on the Nets, just a few guys who didn't live up to their potential . . . he played with the following players for at least 4 years . . . Mike Gminski (solid mediocre center), Darryl Dawkings (sometimes spectacular, sometimes headcase center), Albert King (Bernard's brother who never lived up to his potential but could score), Otis Birdsong (another scorer but got badly enough out of shape that his teammates nicknamed him Mrs. Butterworth), and Michael Ray Richardson (multitalented PG who was a threat to go off for a triple double any night but destroyed his career with drugs). Some talent there and a lot of guys who were decent scorers, Buck was rarely the primary option but, like McHale, was a solid 2-4 option guy. If Buck had made that collection of talented headcases into consistent winners, THEN he would be a HOF player and better than McHale even with the same stats he had. By the time he went to Portland, he was battling age, knees, and weight, but was still a solid player.

PauloCatarino · 01-28-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BadBaronRudigor

ACtually Buck played with some legit NBA talent on the Nets, just a few guys who didn't live up to their potential . . . he played with the following players for at least 4 years . . . Mike Gminski (solid mediocre center), Darryl Dawkings (sometimes spectacular, sometimes headcase center), Albert King (Bernard's brother who never lived up to his potential but could score), Otis Birdsong (another scorer but got badly enough out of shape that his teammates nicknamed him Mrs. Butterworth), and Michael Ray Richardson (multitalented PG who was a threat to go off for a triple double any night but destroyed his career with drugs). Some talent there and a lot of guys who were decent scorers, Buck was rarely the primary option but, like McHale, was a solid 2-4 option guy. If Buck had made that collection of talented headcases into consistent winners, THEN he would be a HOF player and better than McHale even with the same stats he had. By the time he went to Portland, he was battling age, knees, and weight, but was still a solid player.

He joined the Blazers at age 29.
From 89-90 to 94-95 he played no less than 80 games a season.

so... No.

BadBaronRudigor · 01-30-2007, 02:41 AM

Buck was one of those guys who would play with a broken leg, had that linebacker mentality and pain threshold . . . and by 29, you are starting to feel it, trust me on this, lol.

HeartofBosh · 02-01-2007, 04:58 AM

Charles Barkley recently said on a TNT broadcast that Kevin McHale was the best player he's ever played against. EVER. I wish I was kidding.

**RSP83** · 02-02-2007, 02:25 PM

Tim Duncan has certainly been the best PF in my lifetime. That means to me he's better than other great PFs such as Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Kevin McHale, Kevin Garnett, and Chris Webber.

TheRoc5 · 03-07-2007, 06:48 PM

Tim Duncan>Malone
2 mvps, 3 finals mvps, 3 championships, 8 straight all nba first team, 9 nba all defense team, nba allstar mvp.. just amazing stats but more then that duncan dominated the game in a way malone couldnt. from duncans amazing passing ability to his effect on every single shot in the game. since duncan has enterd the nba there has been no better team in all of sports then the spurs

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