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Re: Jordan the best EVER??? Im getting sick and tired of hearing
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out of the 1000+ 20 ppg seasons EVER, jordan's '02 season ranks the WORST EVER in terms of scoring effiency (relative to league average). worst ever. his '03 was 31st worst ever. out of 1000+.
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He was 39. To even score 20 ppg at that age is quite a feat and his impact on the Wiz was undeniable. The team improved from 19 wins to 26 wins by the all star break and looked like they were headed for the playoffs before Jordan had to get knee surgery. Outside of Rip his teammates were pretty much crap. Jordan was also on pace for a 25-5-5 season (at 39!) before he had to get surgery and his final stats are kind of skewed by the really bad games he played after returning. It is really too bad his bad knee finally caught up to him. Still an 18 game improvement is quite amazing and shows that even at 39 Jordan had some MVP left in him.
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03-30-2007, 07:44 AM
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Re: Jordan the best EVER??? Im getting sick and tired of hearing
Abstract argument.
You've got all kinds of opinions from differing ideas and beliefs, and to each of us they are correct.
How can you compare two players or teams when they cannot compete against each other for superiority? Both Jordan and Kareem were (duh) a couple of the greatest to ever play...so what if Kareem dominated earlier in another arena? It's another place and time, as been mentioned it can't be calculated.
I wonder if people sit around art galleries and argue which painting is the greatest. That's what this is like.
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03-30-2007, 08:39 AM
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Jordan is the best ever. When it comes to what he did for the game, I don't think anyone will ever touch his greatness.
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you mean he had a greater global impact than espn, nike, and gatorade? talk about a "perfect storm." whoever made the "raised on espn" remark hit the nail on the head. it's too bad they didn't figure out how to hawk sweat shop shoes and food-colored water this well in the Big O's day.
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03-30-2007, 08:41 AM
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Judging HS careers is about the most idiotic thing you could do.The level of competition varies so widely as to make any conclusions you draw absolutely useless.If you look at Kareem's college career he was obviously a superior player to Jordan and practically anyone else,but he was also playing in a time when the level of competition was far less.
If you want to argue who was the best college player ever well then you need to ***** about David Thompson because he was a lot better than Jordan or Alcindor in college.Thompson was in a different league from Jordan in the NCAA.In fact Jordan isn't a top ten player in ACC history.It isn't relelvant.Jordan made his legend in the NBA and if you can't argue that Kareem was better in the NBA that's really your problem rather than ours.
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03-30-2007, 03:50 PM
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Nobody here was really stating he was his greatest at that age. To be a guard at 39-40 in the NBA during any era and still perform the way he did is remarkable, no matter how you spin it. Most good NBA guards are out of the league and can't keep up with the rest of them by the time they are 35, often younger.
My main point is that the original poster can't say anything about Jordan vs Kareem while they were in the NBA. He's either obsessed with what happened before the NBA, or he's tired of Jordan and obviously can't appreciate what is put in front of him, and can't deal with the fact that he was the greatest player to ever play the game considering all circumstances.
Just the fact that a guy is still in the NBA, a guard who has pushed the pedal to the metal his entire career... Being able to still play at that age is remarkable enough.
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Jordan isnt the only player to play into his 40s. Kareem did this as well, and although he was playing with some great players he still put up solid numbers in limited minutes. I'm not saying anything about who between them is the better player, I'm just sick of people riding Jordans jock because he scored 20ppg when he was 39.
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03-30-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: Jordan the best EVER??? Im getting sick and tired of hearing
Jordan was also a guard. Centers have a longer lifespan, playing-wise, in the NBA.
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03-30-2007, 05:08 PM
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If you want to argue who was the best college player ever well then you need to ***** about David Thompson because he was a lot better than Jordan or Alcindor in collegeor pistol pete
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Lew Alcindors team went 88-2 in his three year varsity career and 21-0 with the freshman team....
TWO losses in FOUR years...and won 3 national championships in a row...
I don't think the same can be said about the other two...
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03-30-2007, 05:15 PM
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Jordan was also a guard. Centers have a longer lifespan, playing-wise, in the NBA.
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I don't care. If you are going to make the statement that Jordan is better than others because he played into his 40s, then you give credit to the other players who did it, regardless of position.
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03-30-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: Jordan the best EVER??? Im getting sick and tired of hearing
Lets not forget that Jordan also quit the game twice when the going got tough...
lol at people who want to say the best "EVER", the greatest of "ALL TIMES" but exclude anything that happened outside of the NBA...That in itself is a joke....
Best EVER and greatest of ALL TIMES is why you have to include all three phases of their careers, not just one....
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03-30-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: Jordan the best EVER??? Im getting sick and tired of hearing
David Thompson was a better college basketball player than Alcindor and that's all there is to it.Your argument is infantile and really not worthy of a response.Just say that you hate Jordan and you can't compose a rational argument for why Kareem was better.College is college and the NBA is not.
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