Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

Gil, you know i loves ya, but you are dead wrong in this.

I'll start with the obvious:
You said In "2002 before his surgery Jordan was top 5 MVP candidate".

well, in 2001-2002, Jordan played 60 games.
Shaq played 67;
Webber played 54;

And this is that year's MVP voting:

1st Max
Rk Player Place Pts Pts Share G PPG RPG APG
+--+------------------------+-----+-----+-----+-------+---+----+----+----+
1 Tim Duncan 57 954 1260 0.76 | 82 25.5 12.7 3.7
2 Jason Kidd 45 897 1260 0.71 | 82 14.7 7.3 9.9
3 Shaquille O'Neal 15 696 1260 0.55 | 67 27.2 10.7 3.0
4 Tracy McGrady 7 390 1260 0.31 | 76 25.6 7.9 5.3
5 Kobe Bryant 1 98 1260 0.08 | 80 25.2 5.5 5.5
6 Gary Payton 1 54 1260 0.04 | 82 22.1 4.8 9.0
7 Chris Webber 0 37 1260 0.03 | 54 24.5 10.1 4.8
8 Dirk Nowitzki 0 31 1260 0.02 | 76 23.4 9.9 2.4
9 Allen Iverson 0 29 1260 0.02 | 60 31.4 4.5 5.5
10 Ben Wallace 0 24 1260 0.02 | 80 7.6 13.0 1.4
11 Paul Pierce 0 22 1260 0.02 | 82 26.1 6.9 3.2
12 Kevin Garnett 0 17 1260 0.01 | 81 21.2 12.1 5.2
13 Michael Jordan 0 16 1260 0.01 | 60 22.9 5.7 5.2
14 Steve Nash 0 5 1260 0.00 | 82 17.9 3.1 7.7
15 Jerry Stackhouse 0 3 1260 0.00 | 76 21.4 4.1 5.3
16 Mike Bibby 0 1 1260 0.00 | 80 13.7 2.8 5.0
Elton Brand 0 1 1260 0.00 | 80 18.2 11.6 2.4
Peja Stojakovic 0 1 1260 0.00 | 71 21.2 5.3 2.5
+--+------------------------+-----+-----+-----+-------+---+----+----+----+

Should i say more?

Originally Posted by Gilgamesh

Hahahaha. You are hilarious Paulo. Really. I said he was a strong MVP candidate at midseason not end of season.

Show me the voting by all star break. As I said if you watched NBA in 2002 you would know quite a few people commented Jordan being a MVP candidate at midseason. I never said Jordan was top 5 candidate by season's end. His injuries and the Wiz's demise dropped him out of serious contention but at midseason he was up there.

It's like Arenas. Earlier in the year he was considered top 3 even #1 but now he is not.

But if Jordan was healthy and could have kept the same statistical pace (and he was improving in January) and the Wiz continued at the same winning pace by season's end he would surely be top 5.

Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

I only habe two words to say to you, Gil: TINY ARCHIBALD.

Originally Posted by Gilgamesh

this is why I love ya too Paulo.

Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

Hmmm... Interesting...

Originally Posted by BadBaronRudigor

Second . . .

Yes, Jordan was more of a dominant player at age 40 than Kareem. But . . . Kareem at age 40 was much more valuable to his team. Kareem was still a key piece of a championship team providing post scoring and some shot blocking to the Magic led Lakers. Jordan came back with a rebuilding Wizards team and tried to take a team that was just starting to develop and make it a win-now team (a) trading Richard Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse (b) dominating the ball so that the other team options tended to get frozen out (he wasn't that mobile anymore but mainly relied on his size/strength to post up effectively or jacked up a relatively ineffective jump shot and (c) took out his frustrations on the Wizards young players, particularly straight out of HS Kwame Brown, destroying the confidence of a player projected to be the future of the franchise (still evident in Kwame's very hesitant offensive play v. Kwame's superior offense early in the season his freshman year) and making sure that Kwame would be looking to leave Washington at the first opportunity (though we did get Caron Butler who is terrific). On the whole, Jordan was a net minus to the Wizards on the court; he was, however, a big boost at the ticket office so for the franchise, might be considered a positive or a negative. Kareem, however, was clearly a positive.

Originally Posted by Jordan23Forever

And yet despite all this -- amazingly -- he somehow managed to average 25.2 pts/6.3 reb/5.2 ast/43.4% FG through the ASG and had his team, who had won just 19 games the entire previous season, in the 6th spot in the East with a 26-20 record before he hurt his knee. Go figure.

Originally Posted by PauloCatarino

Now i've read it all...

Originally Posted by Paulo Catarino

You can put up as many reports you'd like about MJ being an MVP contender when playing with the Wizards. I'll call any of them writers a liar.

Originally Posted by 23AJ

And at 40 years of age if Jordan was on a Dynasty Championship team (rather then a pathetic Wizards team) (Check the Wizards team record the year before Jordan played) he would of been more valueable then Kareem at 40 years of age on any championship etam because Jordan was a better player then Kareem at 40 years of age. However nice way to try and spin a negative review of Jordan at 40, and pump up Kareems value.