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TakUrBalzBakFrmUrWife · 03-28-2007, 08:15 PM

...people talk about the man as if basketball never existed before him....and as if his on court accomplishments are unmatchable or haven't been done before....

Funny thing though....

Tell me whens the last time Jordan led his HS to 3 straight titles, whens the last time Jordans college team won 3 straight national championships, whens the last time Jordans college team had a run of 88-2, whens the last time dunking was taken out of the college game because of Jordan, whens the last time Jordan was the main option on his college team????

""As a sophomore at Power Memorial, he averaged 19 points and 18 rebounds as Power went undefeated. It went unbeaten again in Alcindor's junior season. The next year, for the first time in 72 games, Alcindor and Power lost, beaten 46-43 by DeMatha Catholic High School of Maryland. Alcindor, who had been averaging 30 points, was held to 16. It was his only loss in his last three years. He finished his career at Power in 1965 with 2,067 points and 2,002 rebounds (both New York City records).

Alcindor played for the best college team in the country in 1965-66, but unfortunately for him and his teammates, freshmen were ineligible to compete for the varsity then. In their first game, the first game ever at Pauley Pavilion, the UCLA freshmen whipped the varsity, two-time defending champions and preseason No. 1, 75-60. Alcindor scored 31 points, grabbed 21 rebounds and blocked seven shots. The Brubabes went 21-0 and Alcindor averaged 33 points and 21 rebounds.

In Alcindor's first varsity game, he set a UCLA record by scoring 56 points. Later that season, he scored 61. He averaged 29 points and 15.5 rebounds with a .667 shooting percentage as John Wooden's Bruins went 30-0. They beat Dayton 79-64 in the NCAA final for the first of seven consecutive championships.

The most serious competition in the NBA in 1969 was a coin flip. Two first-year teams -- the 16-66 Phoenix Suns and the 27-55 Milwaukee Bucks -- were the two worst teams in the league, and they flipped for the first pick of the draft. The Suns lost, and the Bucks gained the right to choose Alcindor.

With Alcindor averaging 28.8 points (second in the NBA) and 14.5 rebounds (third), the Bucks improved to 56-26 and reached the Eastern Division finals before losing to the Knicks. IN HIS FIRST PRO SEASON!!!.

The next season was even sweeter. The Bucks had a league-best 66-16 record behind Alcindor, whose sky hook became the most devastating weapon in the game, and newly acquired Oscar Robertson. Alcindor led the NBA with a 31.7 scoring average and was voted MVP. The Bucks didn't stop there, cruising to the NBA title by winning 12 of 14 playoff games. After the Bucks swept the Baltimore Bullets in four games, Alcindor was voted the Finals MVP.

A Muslim since his college days, Alcindor legally changed his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in the fall of 1971. The name change didn't bother his performance as he won his second straight MVP, averaging a league-high 34.8 points.

In 1975, Abdul-Jabbar said Milwaukee was inadequate for his cultural needs. The Bucks traded him to the Lakers for center Elmore Smith, guard Brian Winters and rookie blue chippers Dave Myers and Junior Bridgeman. Despite LA finishing 40-42 and out of the playoffs, Abdul-Jabbar won his fourth MVP after averaging 27.7 points (second in the league) and leading the NBA with 16.9 rebounds and 4.12 blocks per game.

Sad thing the DPOY award wasn't created until the 82-83 season because I don't think its impossible to say Kareem would have gotten at least one....and blocks weren't recorded until the 73 season if I'm not mistaken...

When Abdul-Jabbar retired in 1989 at age 42, his career regular-season numbers were 24.6 points per game, 11.2 rebounds, 3.6 blocked shots and a .559 shooting percentage. He was first-team all-league 10 times and second-team 5 times. He also holds NBA records for most seasons of 1,000 or more points (19), most minutes played (57,446), and most field goals (15,837).""

People always talk about Jordans 6 rings and MVPs...

Lets talk about Kareems 6 rings and 6 MVPs of which 3 came in his first 5 years and 4 in his seven seasons in the league...rather than have everyone believe that Jordan is the only great player to exist...

When talking about an all time greatest basketball player, try and include all 3 levels of play...not just one....and before you say the other two levels don't matter, why do they even play them then?? Why is there a McDonalds All American game, why are you filling out a bracket every march???

Michael Jordan the greatest basketball player EVER????

Only if you were raised on ESPN....

With the first pick of the draft, the WifeCheckers take none other than KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR....

**IceMan23and3** · 03-28-2007, 08:26 PM

and Eddie House tied Kareem's NCAA most points scored in a game record... so what? When Kareem went down in the Finals, Magic led the team to victory. Yes Kareem is a Top 5 All Time player, and it is splitting hairs, but Jordan changed the game moreso than Kareem. Jordan made it worldwide, made it more popular than it had ever been. He is the face of the NBA. I think that the two are inseparable now. To say a player is better than Jordan is almost to say that he is better than the NBA itself. While there have been many greats, some legends, Jordan has become something mythical because of what he could do. He wasn't the biggest, the strongest, but he was the best in the league. No one wants to root for Goliath to win.

TakUrBalzBakFrmUrWife · 03-28-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IceMan23and3

and Eddie House tied Kareem's NCAA most points scored in a game record... so what? When Kareem went down in the Finals, Magic led the team to victory. Yes Kareem is a Top 5 All Time player, and it is splitting hairs, but Jordan changed the game moreso than Kareem. Jordan made it worldwide, made it more popular than it had ever been. He is the face of the NBA. I think that the two are inseparable now. To say a player is better than Jordan is almost to say that he is better than the NBA itself. While there have been many greats, some legends, Jordan has become something mythical because of what he could do. He wasn't the biggest, the strongest, but he was the best in the league. No one wants to root for Goliath to win.

and that has what to do with on court accomplishments???

myth-1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

I laid down facts from HS to college to pros, get back to me when Jordan can match those accomplishments...

**Krstic All Star** · 03-28-2007, 08:47 PM

Kareem wasn't even the best Center ever, and should be ranked after MJ, by all rights. What defines true greatness is not advantages at lower levels of play, particularly for a man who towered over everyone else by a fair margin. The real test of a man's ability (in any area) is his performance in the highest levels of competition.

And to look at the greatest Center of all time, look further back, and try to read up on Wilt Chamberlain.

Fray · 03-28-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by IceMan23and3

and Eddie House tied Kareem's NCAA most points scored in a game record... so what? When Kareem went down in the Finals, Magic led the team to victory. Yes Kareem is a Top 5 All Time player, and it is splitting hairs, but Jordan changed the game moreso than Kareem. Jordan made it worldwide, made it more popular than it had ever been. He is the face of the NBA. I think that the two are inseparable now. To say a player is better than Jordan is almost to say that he is better than the NBA itself. While there have been many greats, some legends, Jordan has become something mythical because of what he could do. He wasn't the biggest, the strongest, but he was the best in the league. No one wants to root for Goliath to win.

This basically sums it up.

**unluckyseventeen** · 03-28-2007, 09:08 PM

Yes, he is the best ever. He excelled more greatly compared to the others based on the position he played, the time he played in (better skilled players and larger talent pool), and did a lot for NBA basketball as a whole.

By the way, who was Kareem constantly defended by? 7 footers who couldn't tie their shoe right if you held a gun up to their head? Jordan faced the team's best defender every single night. This was also with more physical play than NBA today without fouls called. Check out Jordan's statistics from the first 5-6 years of his career. His effectiveness as both an offensive player and a defensive player dwarf Kareem's considering the circumstances.

Jordan is not heralded as the best player of all time for no reason. I think I'll listen to everyone in the world and virtually every basketball analyst over a guy (that's you) that is just annoyed at people calling him the greatest. Not to mention your material to back up your claim is weak. Nobody cares what you do in High School.

**IceMan23and3** · 03-28-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TakUrBalzBakFrmUrWife

and that has what to do with on court accomplishments???

myth-1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

I laid down facts from HS to college to pros, get back to me when Jordan can match those accomplishments...

And yes, I used the word correctly, but I am glad that you know how to look stuff up.
well, see, everyone likes Jordan more and we really don't care about HS or college, just the pros. And Jordan averaged more ppg in the playoffs than Kareem(33 vs. 24), scored more points in the playoffs (5,987 in 12 seasons vs. 5,762 in 19years) and that is where the fame is made. How's that for fact?

TakUrBalzBakFrmUrWife · 03-28-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by unluckyseventeen

Yes, he is the best ever. He excelled more greatly compared to the others based on the position he played, the time he played in (better skilled players and larger talent pool), and did a lot for NBA basketball as a whole.

By the way, who was Kareem constantly defended by? 7 footers who couldn't tie their shoe right if you held a gun up to their head? Jordan faced the team's best defender every single night. This was also with more physical play than NBA today without fouls called. Check out Jordan's statistics from the first 5-6 years of his career. His effectiveness as both an offensive player and a defensive player dwarf Kareem's considering the circumstances.

Jordan is not heralded as the best player of all time for no reason. I think I'll listen to everyone in the world and virtually every basketball analyst over a guy (that's you) that is just annoyed at people calling him the greatest. Not to mention your material to back up your claim is weak. Nobody cares what you do in High School.

Who was Jordan defended by??? Guys 3 to 4 inches shorter....also, Kareem proved his worth by making other 7 footers look like the way you described....

Check out Kareems stats in his first 5-6 years....THREE buddy, THREE MVPs...but I guess you missed the part where it says how Kareem turned the Bucks around from the worst team to the best...

so in essence, you're admitting that TODAYS NBA is better skilled with MORE players....

men and women lie....the numbers don't....Kareems numbers thoughout his entire basketball career, make Jordans and everyone elses pale in comparison....

again, if Jordan was so phenomenally great, how come he didn't even make his own HS squad much less lead them to 3 straight titles, how come he wasn't even the main option on his college team much less lead them to 3 straight national championships and an 88-2 record???

"oh but we don't care about college".....sure you don't buddy, thats why we have a March Madness, because nobody cares about it...

TakUrBalzBakFrmUrWife · 03-28-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by IceMan23and3

And yes, I used the word correctly, but I am glad that you know how to look stuff up.
well, see, everyone likes Jordan more and we really don't care about HS or college, just the pros. And Jordan averaged more ppg in the playoffs than Kareem(33 vs. 24), scored more points in the playoffs (5,987 in 12 seasons vs. 5,762 in 19years) and that is where the fame is made. How's that for fact?

notice the key words you used...LIKES.....that doesn't necessarily mean he was better simply because you liked him better...

Jordan also had the best SF ever at his side and the best rebounder and defensive PF at his side for 3 title runs....lets not forget that...Kareem wasn't too big of an ego to relinquish control of a team in order for the team to be successful either...Jordan just quit...3 times when the going got tough....

as I have stated, get back to me when Jordan can match numbers at the other two levels besides the pros....Best EVER is a big title...."but we don't care"....sure we don't, thats why the nation was enamored with a kid in high school by the name of Lebron James, why we have a McDonalds game, why there is a March Madness....

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